Bruce Fleming saga cont.

And then there is this from another USNA grad. Food for thought:

"USNA appears to have fueled, even encouraged this adverse scenario by ignoring, burying, stifling Fleming's findings and fumings. And frustrating him while tenuring him in the process. There is little doubt many/much of his observations and findings are more accurate and correct than the admins dare admit, perhaps notably about opaque, politicized admission policies that have been exacerbated by the mandate for "diversity" and the coincident buy-in to play major league football. And then Fleming and his fellow faculty brethren inherit these ill-equipped students who've been secreted onto the Yard...

This^^
Always thought this guy was an Ephialtes to USNA’s Leonidas. Had a legitimate basis, turned into a real or at least perceived snub, and now the axe to grind. The diversity/football/politics tangents have merit but have been well litigated and remain what they are. It’s not the end of the world either way. To the media, “Move along, nothing (new) to see here”.
 
My DS said MIDNs who were invited to his house saw a lot of queer and weird things around his house. Not the best kind we want around the Yard. I think the Academy invited him back to be PC and to keep him quiet and drop the law suit against the Navy. What ever the reasons there is price to pay.
I’ve investigated tons of cases like his. Touching, suggestive comments. People who throw lines out to see what bites. He’ll start up again. May not send pics this time, but these folks don’t change their stripes.
 
In the rest of the world a speedo is just called a “swimsuit”. I’m personally not a fan of the style, but let’s be clear that the taboo surrounding the speedo exists only in the US due to our archaically puritan culture.

By the way, the midshipman who vigorously pursued the charges against Fleming has publicly admitted that he had beef with him from the get-go, because he earned a C in the class but felt he deserved an A. That’s enough to make me question whether he was actually offended by the professor.

Having heard and read some anecdotes, I’d say he’s certainly an eccentric fellow who occasionally breaches the professional line by a little. I wonder how many times, if any, his bosses attempted to correct whatever they considered inappropriate. If he did display a pattern of inappropriate behavior and did not stop when told he went too far, then that is bad. It doesn’t look like that happened though. Also, with 30+ years at the Academy, I wonder why no one has attributed these things to him until the past year. Did his personality or teaching style change dramatically? I doubt it. Are college students nationwide way more sensitive and afraid of hearing ideas that they don’t like? Absolutely, and perhaps that’s a factor in all of this too. By most accounts he’s actually a very good teacher, and whether you agree with his writings on the Academy, none of the facts he reports are uncontroversial. However I do think he does a disservice to his own view by delivering it in such a pompous and cynical tone.
Nothing to do with Puritanism. Just looks gross.
 
Everyone looks better with clothes on, in my opinion.
 
Nothing in general. But in most workplaces in 2019, sending a picture of yourself in a swimsuit to a colleague, especially a subordinate, is an unacceptable practice. Ditto profs sending same to students.

And that is why USNA will ultimately prevail. Fleming can claim retaliation and perhaps the complainant is biased because Fleming gave him/her a bad grade, but I can't think of a single legitimate reason for any professor, or anyone, to send a student or other subordinate a swim suit picture !

(And since someone just had to defend the Speedo...I will have to point out that the varient issued to Midshipmen back in the early 80's had no redeeming value !)
 
Nothing in general. But in most workplaces in 2019, sending a picture of yourself in a swimsuit to a colleague, especially a subordinate, is an unacceptable practice. Ditto profs sending same to students.

And that is why USNA will ultimately prevail. Fleming can claim retaliation and perhaps the complainant is biased because Fleming gave him/her a bad grade, but I can't think of a single legitimate reason for any professor, or anyone, to send a student or other subordinate a swim suit picture !

(And since someone just had to defend the Speedo...I will have to point out that the varient issued to Midshipmen back in the early 80's had no redeeming value !)
I was hoping that someone would bring up the issued swimsuit of the 70's/80's. It was flat out terrible and I think hated by nearly all of us but it was a uniform and we had to wear it.

As for professors sending out swimsuit pics to students, I was just doing final preps for this semester (first class is tomorrow) so interactions with students are front and center in my mind and I can tell you that sending pics of myself in a swimsuit is totally against everything that I would ever do. It is just flat out strange behavior and I certainly
hope that this puts him "over the top" in terms of fire-able offenses. You might not remember but he was suspended in the past for some interactions with a female midshipman. I'm not sure but I think he was criticizing her publicly for having reported another mid for harassment.
 
You might not remember but he was suspended in the past for some interactions with a female midshipman

Yes, there have been other reports about inappropriate statements or comments, but words and comments are subject to interpretation and explanation (i.e. excuses). That's what's so damning about the swim suit pics ... there is no excuse.
 
Nothing in general. But in most workplaces in 2019, sending a picture of yourself in a swimsuit to a colleague, especially a subordinate, is an unacceptable practice. Ditto profs sending same to students.

I totally agree the pic he sent was inappropriate, but my response was to someone who said speedos were “gross” in general.
 
Nothing in general. But in most workplaces in 2019, sending a picture of yourself in a swimsuit to a colleague, especially a subordinate, is an unacceptable practice. Ditto profs sending same to students.

I totally agree the pic he sent was inappropriate, but my response was to someone who said speedos were “gross” in general.
Isn't the general consensus that they are gross?
 
For someone who’s 33 Tenure at the Naval Academy he sure doesn’t know its history very well. Purely from a defensive stance the graduates from service academies have been instrumental in winning the Civil War, WW1, WW2 just to name a few. To mock the value a service Academy offers to the nation is unconscionable from a self absorbed academic narcissist. Incompetence, and radicalism is protected by Tenure, a significant difference from the initial intent of the idea.
 
Nothing in general. But in most workplaces in 2019, sending a picture of yourself in a swimsuit to a colleague, especially a subordinate, is an unacceptable practice. Ditto profs sending same to students.

I totally agree the pic he sent was inappropriate, but my response was to someone who said speedos were “gross” in general.
Isn't the general consensus that they are gross?
Yes. 99.9999% of men should just leave those at home.
 
the offending pic from this case was obtained, posted below, you decide if it's inappropriate. turns out it wasn't actually a speedo, but still questionable....
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Ugh.

This image could be an effective weight-loss tool, as I just lost my lunch.
 
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Egads ... the Roman pose. And what’s up with the socks?
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What is the report on Fleming this month? What is he doing to stay productive?
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