Changes for incoming class of 2028?

pv123

pv123

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Does anyone know the specific changes to USAFA cadets entering Fall of 2024? Due to Pentagon report, hazing etc. I heard civilian clothes after 5pm, changes in class names, etc. I can’t find any details online.
 
The pendulum continues to swing. Things will ‘lighten’ up for a while until someone decides USAFA has grown soft and the pendulum will swing the other way. This is one of the few traditions USAFA has always maintained.

I am in no way suggesting ‘hazing’ should be tolerated nor should efforts to end sexual harassment and/or assaults be curtailed.
 
I wouldn't focus on it. We have changes going on right now such as the at home policy. However that does not including civs for the freshman. It's just letting them close their door and be at rest because the work day is done. Changes will also effect upperclassmen to fit with the comms 's message of a 4 class system, not a 4 degree system. Restricting passes and other changes fall into this category. Anything else the cadet wing has not been told about so no point in rumors.
 
FlyFalcon said:
I wouldn't focus on it. We have changes going on right now such as the at home policy. However that does not including civs for the freshman. It's just letting them close their door and be at rest because the work day is done. Changes will also effect upperclassmen to fit with the comms 's message of a 4 class system, not a 4 degree system. Restricting passes and other changes fall into this category. Anything else the cadet wing has not been told about so no point in rumors.
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I disagree…Why not shine some focus on this?? I think it’s fascinating how the USAFA is changing. Recognition already has been announced to be earlier this year in March…not a rumor:). So curious behind some of these historic changes in policies and traditions.
 
I may be considered a fossil, I served in the USMC from '79 - '83. My branch is all about tradition. Everytime I hear or read of the changes being made, I cringe. I hope these changes do not make our warriors soft.
The AF has it's own traditions that have made it the most powerful air power on the planet. I hope these changes keep it that way.
 
Traditions are important and although we have to recognize the changes in society, many of these traditions help breed a warrior mindset which is what the military needs no matter what society thinks. True, some of the "old ways" done "back in my day", may have seemed aggressive or over the top to a casual observer whose life was never going to be placed in the line of fire. But they helped forge leaders who could withstand pressures few civilians can understand nor should they ever have to if the military does its job correctly. While the court of popular opinion is happy to point fingers and demand change, how many of those have served and have been expected to run towards the sound of battle? I think the biggest problem with many changes is that they are forced onto the military by people who don't understand the reasons behind the actions in the first place. How do you train someone to lead in combat without placing them under stress, taking them outside their comfort zone and yes, sometimes treating them in a manner that outsiders might not deem appropriate. USAFA, USMA and USNA are not community college or just another university, they are the crucibles in which future battle leaders are forged and it must be tough in order for them, and their future teams, to survive the ultimate tests they may have to face. No change for the sake of change, only for the better to create better and stronger leaders.
 
All3Services said:
Traditions are important and although we have to recognize the changes in society, many of these traditions help breed a warrior mindset which is what the military needs no matter what society thinks. True, some of the "old ways" done "back in my day", may have seemed aggressive or over the top to a casual observer whose life was never going to be placed in the line of fire. But they helped forge leaders who could withstand pressures few civilians can understand nor should they ever have to if the military does its job correctly. While the court of popular opinion is happy to point fingers and demand change, how many of those have served and have been expected to run towards the sound of battle? I think the biggest problem with many changes is that they are forced onto the military by people who don't understand the reasons behind the actions in the first place. How do you train someone to lead in combat without placing them under stress, taking them outside their comfort zone and yes, sometimes treating them in a manner that outsiders might not deem appropriate. USAFA, USMA and USNA are not community college or just another university, they are the crucibles in which future battle leaders are forged and it must be tough in order for them, and their future teams, to survive the ultimate tests they may have to face. No change for the sake of change, only for the better to create better and stronger leaders.
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I would rate your response as:

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But recent grads don’t know what that means or what Form it would go
 
Cerberi said:
I would rate your response as:

Fast
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Average
Friendly
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Good

But recent grads don’t know what that means or what Form it would go
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I've educated my 2026er amd told him to pass it on to his friends. The forms are online now :(
 
Cerberi said:
I would rate your response as:

Fast
Neat
Average
Friendly
Good
Good

But recent grads don’t know what that means or what Form it would go
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When they changed that form while I was a dink...

The WING went nuts!!!
 
All3Services said:
Traditions are important and although we have to recognize the changes in society, many of these traditions help breed a warrior mindset which is what the military needs no matter what society thinks. True, some of the "old ways" done "back in my day", may have seemed aggressive or over the top to a casual observer whose life was never going to be placed in the line of fire. But they helped forge leaders who could withstand pressures few civilians can understand nor should they ever have to if the military does its job correctly. While the court of popular opinion is happy to point fingers and demand change, how many of those have served and have been expected to run towards the sound of battle? I think the biggest problem with many changes is that they are forced onto the military by people who don't understand the reasons behind the actions in the first place. How do you train someone to lead in combat without placing them under stress, taking them outside their comfort zone and yes, sometimes treating them in a manner that outsiders might not deem appropriate. USAFA, USMA and USNA are not community college or just another university, they are the crucibles in which future battle leaders are forged and it must be tough in order for them, and their future teams, to survive the ultimate tests they may have to face. No change for the sake of change, only for the better to create better and stronger leaders.
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Bravo !
 
DevilDog said:
I may be considered a fossil, I served in the USMC from '79 - '83. My branch is all about tradition. Everytime I hear or read of the changes being made, I cringe. I hope these changes do not make our warriors soft.
The AF has it's own traditions that have made it the most powerful air power on the planet. I hope these changes keep it that way.
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“Old breed? New breed? There's not a damn bit of difference as long as it's the Marine breed.”

Chesty
 
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pv123 said:
I disagree…Why not shine some focus on this?? I think it’s fascinating how the USAFA is changing. Recognition already has been announced to be earlier this year in March…not a rumor:). So curious behind some of these historic changes in policies and traditions.
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I'll go ahead and give more perspective on my answer. Trust me the recognition thing is a big up and arms for my class, class of 2026 as we'll be the only ones after spring break. We love that 2027 gets rec sooner hate that we're the only class after spring break, it is what it is. What I mean about the at home policy and rumors was, it's the only thing confirmed. All other "rumors" weren't confirmed at the time. Things like "freshman wearing uniforms till after sophomore year" or decreasing the passes. So when we "confirm" a rumor its always the 'negative' ones. I agree with many traditions as I grew up with the military as a brat of air force and navy but the fact of the matter is our commandant has made it clear, we're not changing his mind. When asked about the effects on wing moral his response, "The dean doesn't care about your moral and AD doesn't care about your moral" so it doesn't matter what we say, what's gonna change will happen. That's that. No point in going against orders to not speak about rumors when we've already felt the effects on another anonymous app.
 
Coming in late to this party...did I miss some of the "confirmed" "rumors" that were questioned of the Commandant?

Change happens, it's the normal progression. Some are good, some aren't; that's just the way it is. I have noticed changes at USAFA since I graduated...at my recent reunion I saw things that made me "upset" and I spoke with current AOCs and their NCO counterparts. They were as frustrated as I and my classmates were.

As for recognition...once upon a time, it was called "Hell Week." When that changed, grads/cadets howled! But...it was about the only thing that changed about Doolie year so...in time... What I saw during my reunion...doolie's are 90% recognized already so what's the big deal?

Okay, end of the "brown shoe grad" commentary. Back to your local channel.
 
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