Cheating on tests with Apple Watch

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  1. billyb

    billyb 5-Year Member

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    I would argue that knowing that there isn't but one choice is what makes the honor code so strong. There isn't a menu of options to pick from based on how it will impact you or the others around you.
     
  2. USMA 1994

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    I am not sure of your background but the point of honorable living is that we always strive to do the right thing and not Rationalize the "Harder Right" away. The "real world" needs more honorable living and this is what sets these young men and women apart from their peers at State U. I would say that she already knows the proper course as the event really upset her.

    She just need the support of everyone to stay committed to that honorable lifestyle.
     
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  3. DesertCaliMom

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    If more officers treated the Honor Code as words to live by and less like a guideline, Fat Leonard wouldn't be as big as it is...
     
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  4. 1mom

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    Realistically, one must live with the decisions one makes or fails to make.
     
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  5. Humey

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    As for background, never attended an academy. I am sure that there are people who live by what you consider to be honorable living and there are many people in the academies that follow this. These are goals that people aspire to, but people are people and most people never reach that level. I also think that most dont live by the the honorable living standard. . I would imagine that 98% of cadets would never even consider cheating, but I would also imagine that percentage drops down dramatically when it comes to turning other people in. Unless we are saying that cadets will be angels during the academy and as commission officers, I have to believe that not everyone lives by that standard. I am not saying we shouldnt push that standard, but to believe it has to occur because one decided to attend West Point is silly. I also have to believe that for every honor code violation they catch, there are probably 10 they dont. My friended attended one of the academies in the 80s told me that the difference between the person who commissioned and the person who got kicked out for honor violations was luck. The one who got kicked out was unlucky in that he got caught while the one who finished didnt get caught
     
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  6. billyb

    billyb 5-Year Member

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    This couldn't be further from the truth.
     
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  7. Mermaidmom2021

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    I discussed this situation with my plebe. She said obviously the first action is to address it with that person. If they do not self report, you report. Her view is that it is not about the test but the offenders moral compass. If they see no issue with cheating on a test, what other situations will this person cheat. Who will be in danger because of the choices this person makes. There are going to be a lot of uncomfortable and hard conversations in their futures. They all need to learn to stand up for what is right and respect each other by being honorable.
     
  8. raimius

    raimius 10-Year Member

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    If you think all academy grads ignored the Honor Code at some point in third cadet career, you don't know many grads, and if the ones you do know think that is "just the way it is," I'm sorry you met such a poor sample group.
     
  9. Humey

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    No. But I do know human nature and last time I checked they are all humans
     
  10. Old Navy BGO

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    First, a lot of assumptions are being made throughout this chain.. I don't think the OP ever disclosed what service academy DD attends. There are differences between how the Service Academies approach honor. USNA has an "honor concept" (which CAPT MJ linked), and my understanding is that USMA and USAFA have very rigid "honor codes" which incorporate the duty to report (ie. nor tolerate...). This does not suggest that the objective is not the same, nor that USNA is any less "honorable." This is more a reflection of different services approach to leadership and autonomy (which would be a great discussion in another thread). That being said, doing nothing is not acceptable under any circumstances .
     
  11. fencersmother

    fencersmother 10-Year Member Founding Member

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    From son's personal experience: if "offending cadet" refuses to self-report and then it falls to the other to report, the other cadets in one's squad are likely to hold the reporting cadet at arms length. There seems to be talk about "honor code" and all that, but in reality, it seems many cadets would rather just let the cheater slide than realize the courage it takes to report a cheater.
     
  12. raimius

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    True. The right thing can often be personally, socially, and professionally painful.
     
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  13. NavyHoops

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    It is painful. I have seen it and been a part of the process at a SA. It’s not as cut and dry as many think. But it is the right thing and those who matter will stick by you and support you. Over 20 years later, it is one of our bonding experiences and we still know it was the right thing to do. Those are not the guys I wanted to the left or right or me when the bullets started flying. It’s not easy, but it’s the right thing to do, no matter how hard it is.
     
  14. LongAgoPlebe

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    Of all the lessons I learned in my short, short time at USNA, having the personal courage and fortitude to recognize what is true and right, and then to act on it in spite of the potential costs, is most treasured to me. One distinct advantage of service academies and SMCs is not just that they have an honor code or honor concept, but that people there really wrestle with what is right and what honor means, in word and deed. It's really that struggle that makes for honorable people, not (just, only) hewing to a code.
     
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