Coach Ken is not coming back for 2023.

[justdoit19]

Covid restrictions on the yard were insane. Many a player may have looked at the freedoms available to them at U of X and chose to jump. They also were offered red shirt opportunities at other programs.

Also NIL money ….. can’t do that at a SA.

 

[Navy2025&27]

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Cash Flow …

… got to get wins or the general AA positions used to pay Ken’s salary and everything else will dry up.

Attendance has been way down last few years … I know, know, Covid!!! … but Covid is not an excuse anymore …. I was there at the M&T November game against Notre Dame and the attendance looked very disappointing.

Those Corp sponsors on those jumbo trons want wins …. I’ll bet that Ken was expecting it … get it over with sooner rather than latter … why not Philly … someone said Santa Clause gets booed in Philly
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The booed him and then threw snowballs too. That's their definition of "Brotherly Love". Dec 15, 1968.

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

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There’s too much boohooing going on here ….

Ken is feeling no pain … he was fired Privately … I’m sure of that … his players are “Grown Ups”

Hire someone who knows “Real Pain” …. the one who carries himself on less than 4 limbs … doesn’t want anyone’s sympathy … hire a Woman …

Let’s hire someone that we rally around …

All this boohooing is Pathetic ….

I know what Real Pain feels like too … I never want anyone’s help … and sure as hell don’t want their Sympathy ….

If I can do for myself based on my Merits alone … then I expect everyone else to do the same.

Ken is doing fine … it’s his business to deal with … not our business
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[justme]

The cash flow doesn’t change by waiting a few days and doing it honorably.

Not many are arguing the merits of firing, many are arguing the method.

I talked to my son on Sunday night. His response surprised me. He said it was a tough loss, especially how the midshipmen felt when army was disrespectful during their singing. He didn’t discuss the firing, but said everyone loved the man.

He deserved better.

Without being there, not sure if the method was that wrong. The AD knew he was firing him. I would assume they talk after each game, so avoiding him would be just as bad. Then if the subject came up at all, and its a likely subject to come up in that situation, would folks prefer he lie about still deciding, etc? Any comment such as "Go home get some sleep, we can talk tomorrow" would be the same as "You're fired". Didn't one head coach get fired while still on the field this season. At least this situation was in a private location.

 

[A1Janitor]

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There’s too much boohooing going on here ….

Ken is feeling no pain … he was fired Privately … I’m sure of that … his players are “Grown Ups”

Hire someone who knows “Real Pain” …. the one who carries himself on less than 4 limbs … doesn’t want anyone’s sympathy … hire a Woman …

Let’s hire someone that we rally around …

All this boohooing is Pathetic ….

I know what Real Pain feels like too … I never want anyone’s help … and sure as hell don’t want their Sympathy ….

If I can do for myself based on my Merits alone … then I expect everyone else to do the same.

Ken is doing fine … it’s his business to deal with … not our business
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I am embarrassed to read this.

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

I am embarrassed to read this.

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Why so negative ... let's find someone we can rally around ... let's make a statement .... There are many kick-a$$ candidates who never get the chance ... why not give them a chance ....

It's time ...
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[GuitarDude637]

The cash flow doesn’t change by waiting a few days and doing it honorably.

Not many are arguing the merits of firing, many are arguing the method.

I talked to my son on Sunday night. His response surprised me. He said it was a tough loss, especially how the midshipmen felt when army was disrespectful during their singing. He didn’t discuss the firing, but said everyone loved the man.

He deserved better.

I haven’t heard before that Army was disrespectful during the singing, what happened?

 

[A1Janitor]

I haven’t heard before that Army was disrespectful during the singing, what happened?

I didn’t ask any follow up questions - it was a short call. He got back later on Sunday after a great weekend in Philly.

 

[ders_dad]

Here’s the thing - this has nothing to do with the merits of firing. Jobs end. People move on. Everyone gets on with their lives.

Many of us, I trust, have been on both ends of a firing. It’s an crappy experience. I’ve had to fire colleagues whom I hired and worked with for many years. There were reasons-and sometimes I disagreed with the decision but any influence I had on it was vetoed.

You treat people with dignity and respect and, most importantly, you show sensitivity toward the team because everyone still needs them. This is especially the case for those with significant tenure.

Many of the mids will see their bosses fired. Some will get fired. Some will do the firing. It comes with the job. But how you do it tells everything about your character.

How this happened (not the need to or the why) is a stark lesson in failure of leadership at an institution that claims to be building leaders.

 

[Capt MJ]

Here’s the thing - this has nothing to do with the merits of firing. Jobs end. People move on. Everyone gets on with their lives.

Many of us, I trust, have been on both ends of a firing. It’s an crappy experience. I’ve had to fire colleagues whom I hired and worked with for many years. There were reasons-and sometimes I disagreed with the decision but any influence I had on it was vetoed.

You treat people with dignity and respect and, most importantly, you show sensitivity toward the team because everyone still needs them. This is especially the case for those with significant tenure.

Many of the mids will see their bosses fired. Some will get fired. Some will do the firing. It comes with the job. But how you do it tells everything about your character.

How this happened (not the need to or the why) is a stark lesson in failure of leadership at an institution that claims to be building leaders.

The Naval Academy Athletic Assn is an independent 501(c)3 non-profit organization. It exists to provide services and programs not funded by Navy appropriated funds (taxpayer money from Big Navy budget).

Of course, the relationship between USNA and NAAA is complex and inter-related; the AD is in complete charge of staff changes and how they are carried out. USNA leadership has to stay well out of actions or the appearance of actions that would imply they are inappropriately enmeshed with NAAA. I suspect the Supe’s JAG is constantly on watch to keep the Navy leaders on a pristine path.

Yes, there would have been an informal heads-up to the Supe, but the AD and his leadership style and executive decisions are independent of USNA leadership programs and official control.

That close relationship provides many benefits to USNA. It also places USNA itself in the poop splatter zone when NAAA does something that riles up people, and a poor choice in firing methodology inevitably does that, as the separation between the 2 entities is blurred to many outside observers.

 

[A1Janitor]

The Naval Academy Athletic Assn is an independent 501(c)3 non-profit organization. It exists to provide services and programs not funded by Navy appropriated funds (taxpayer money from Big Navy budget).

Of course, the relationship between USNA and NAAA is complex and inter-related; the AD is in complete charge of staff changes and how they are carried out. USNA leadership has to stay well out of actions or the appearance of actions that would imply they are inappropriately enmeshed with NAAA. I suspect the Supe’s JAG is constantly on watch to keep the Navy leaders on a pristine path.

Yes, there would have been an informal heads-up to the Supe, but the AD and his leadership style and executive decisions are independent of USNA leadership programs and official control.

That close relationship provides many benefits to USNA. It also places USNA itself in the poop splatter zone when NAAA does something that riles up people, and a poor choice in firing methodology inevitably does that, as the separation between the 2 entities is blurred to many outside observers.

Who has the authority to fire the AD?

 

[USMCGrunt]

There is ALWAYS more to any story than most will ever know. Details, facts, agendas, opinions, viewpoints, timing, pressures, influences, etc

This situation is no different.

Time to move on. I wish the coach and the team the best going forward.

 

[Capt MJ]

Who has the authority to fire the AD?

That’s where it is VERY complex!!! As a registered non-profit, I am sure they have a Board of Directors or Trustees, similar to the USNA Alumni Association and Foundation, the other closely involved non-profit organization. Similar to a for-profit company, a BOD could take steps to release the CEO of its organization.

 

[UHBlackhawk]

I haven’t heard before that Army was disrespectful during the singing, what happened?

Cadets were rushing the field when the singing started. I think once the field rush started it’s tough to stop, though some TACs tried. The stadium announcer wanted to get things moving for TV. I wasn’t happy about it, but I don’t think it was intentional.
I don’t think the stadium announcers understand the military. You can see it with the way they announced ranks. For example, Lieutenant Commander was read as “L, C, D, R”. In the past I’ve seen them start the alma mater songs without saying anything at all.

 

[8th Wing Refugee]

That’s where it is VERY complex!!! As a registered non-profit, I am sure they have a Board of Directors or Trustees, similar to the USNA Alumni Association and Foundation, the other closely involved non-profit organization. Similar to a for-profit company, a BOD could take steps to release the CEO of its organization.

Interesting info in the NAAA constitution:

Section 5.2 Authority to Approve Board of Control Action. The Superintendent reviews the minutes of all meetings of the Board of Control and approves or disapproves all actions of the Board of Control.

Section 5.3 Power to Appoint Board of Control Members. The Superintendent appoints certain members of the Board of Control as is set forth in Article VI.

Section 5.4 Duties with Regard to Institutional Control. The Superintendent hires the Director of Athletics, who serves as the President of the Association. Through the Superintendent's oversight of the Director of Athletics and Board of Control, the Superintendent exercises final authority over all athletic policy decisions at the Naval Academy and is responsible for institutional control of the Naval Academy's varsity athletics program as per this Constitution and National Collegiate Athletic Association legislation.

Section 5.5 The Operating Agreement. The Superintendent approves the terms of the Operating Agreement running between the Naval Academy and the Association as is described in Article XI.

 

[ders_dad]

I’m no lawyer but looking at the language of the NAAA constitution, the separation between USNA and NAAA is porous. Buck stops with Buck. Tax paying public would have a hard time seeing a difference.

 

[UHBlackhawk]

I don’t think it was necessarily the firing, but how it was done. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of college football coaches and analysts in general. That was the big news the last few days, not just the fact that he was fired, but how it was done.
Coach K was universally well respected in the sport. He was not just a winner, but a genuinely good person. He stayed at Navy turning down a larger pay check to coach at his alma mater.
When a coach gets to this point in a career they are due some respect. Nothing was gained by firing him Saturday before the bus ride home, but much was probably lost.

 

[Capt MJ]

Interesting info in the NAAA constitution:

Section 5.2 Authority to Approve Board of Control Action. The Superintendent reviews the minutes of all meetings of the Board of Control and approves or disapproves all actions of the Board of Control.

Section 5.3 Power to Appoint Board of Control Members. The Superintendent appoints certain members of the Board of Control as is set forth in Article VI.

Section 5.4 Duties with Regard to Institutional Control. The Superintendent hires the Director of Athletics, who serves as the President of the Association. Through the Superintendent's oversight of the Director of Athletics and Board of Control, the Superintendent exercises final authority over all athletic policy decisions at the Naval Academy and is responsible for institutional control of the Naval Academy's varsity athletics program as per this Constitution and National Collegiate Athletic Association legislation.

Section 5.5 The Operating Agreement. The Superintendent approves the terms of the Operating Agreement running between the Naval Academy and the Association as is described in Article XI.

Complex indeed, as to what can be done by whom. Thank you for digging that out; I knew there was something that governed the relationship, where there was intersection and where there is separation.

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

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[8th Wing Refugee]

Complex indeed, as to what can be done by whom. Thank you for digging that out; I knew there was something that governed the relationship, where there was intersection and where there is separation.

The control board composition is interesting as well.

Section 6.2 Composition of Board of Control. The Board of Control consists of the following nine (9) positions:


a) The Chair of the Board of Control;


b) The President of the Association;


c) The Vice President of the Association;


d) Two (2) members of the faculty or staff of the Naval Academy;


e) An Officer Representative for a varsity team;


f) The Naval Academy's Institutional Athletics Representative to the NCAA; and


g) Two (2) at-large members.

The members of the Board of Control gain office by the following means:


The Chair of the Board of Control. The Commandant of Midshipmen serves as the Chair of the Board of Control.


The President and Vice President of the Association. The President and Vice President of the Association serve on the Board of Control by virtue of their holding those offices with the Association.


Faculty or Staff Representatives. These two members are appointed by the Superintendent from among the faculty or staff of the Naval Academy.


Officer Representative. This member will be a serving Officer Representative of a Naval Academy varsity athletic team appointed by the Commandant in consultation with the Director of Athletics.


Institutional Representative. This member is the Naval Academy's Institutional Athletics Representative to the National Collegiate Athletic Association.


At-Large Members. The Superintendent appoints two at-large members.