Contacting BGO about other candidates from my district

[IN2MD]

Hello,

Would it be out of line to ask my BGO about other candidates in my district about nominations? My MOC didn't make it clear what type of slate he submitted, but at the interview, I was told that they were only going to submit one name for the nomination

 

[brewmeist]

You asked a similar question on Friday. The advice three days ago was to be patient. I trust that the same advice holds true today. Concentrate on HS right now. I know it is tough, but you'll find out when they are ready to let you know.

 

[usna1985]

Would not suggest doing this for several reasons. First, the BGO only has information on noms for his/her candidates. Depending on the area in which you live, the BGO's territory may or may not include an entire district. It almost never includes an entire state. Thus, BGO won't be able to help you. Second, BGOs don't know what type of slate the MOC submitted -- we can only see whether a particular candidate of ours has a nom. BGOs don't have access to records of candidates other than their own. Finally, for privacy reasons, BGOs should not be divulging information about any other candidates.

Your better option is to contact the SA coordinator for your district.

 

[A1Janitor]

I would be mad if I was told that and it was true.

My first step would be to contact the MOC by email and get it in writing.

I wouldn’t contact the BGO. I would contact USNA.

 

[usna1985]

I would be mad if I was told that and it was true.
My first step would be to contact the MOC by email and get it in writing . . . I would contact USNA.

First, I would be surprised if the MOC only submitted one name if there were additional qualified candidates in his/her district. Most MOCs want to nominate as many people as possible in order to please as many constituents as possible. That said, MOCs can do whatever they want within the bounds of the law. They are not required to submit any names and, if memory serves, there was an MOC a number of years ago who refused to submit any nominees to any SA.

USNA is powerless to influence what MOCs do or don't do in the nomination process. USNA can contact the MOC to confirm the MOC intentionally did something (e.g., submitted only one nominee or no nominees) -- i.e., did not make an error. However, USNA can't force the MOC to change his/her approach.

Finally, USNA is unlikely to provide information on nominations to candidates, other to confirm that the information on the candidate in question is accurate. IOW, it's not USNA's role to inform candidates what type of slate an MOC submitted, how many names were on that slate, etc. That is up to the MOC. And if the MOC does not want to release that information for privacy or other reasons, the candidate is largely out of luck.

 

[A1Janitor]

Fair enough.

Then get it in writing from MOC. Then go to the press.

And to be fair ... it’s possible the MOC staff might have been describing how they use the principal nomination - and didn’t explain it well enough or there was a breakdown in understanding.

 

[USMA 1994]

It would be out of line to ask a BGO/FFR/ALO specific questions about other candidates in the district. They would not share that information anyway.

It would not be out of line to ask the BGO/FFR/ALO if they know how the local MOC usually submits the nomination slate.

The MOC's office is the best place for this information.

 

[Old Navy BGO]

Would it be out of line to ask my BGO about other candidates in my district about nominations? My MOC didn't make it clear what type of slate he submitted, but at the interview, I was told that they were only going to submit one name for the nomination

First, your BGO isn't going to give you information about the other candidates, even if he/she has it. Second, a MOC can certainly submit only one name, ie. the principal nomination, but most would include alternates. It is okay to ask your BGO what method your MOC uses, but keep in mind --the MOC can change his/her mind and do it differently each year.

Finally, I presume OP is asking the question because he/she is seeing announcements that someone else in his/her district has an Appointment. Don't assume that person has a nomination from a particular MOC.

 

[kinnem]

Finally, I presume OP is asking the question because he/she is seeing announcements that someone else in his/her district has an Appointment. Don't assume that person has a nomination from a particular MOC.

In addition to this I would add that if it is known an appointee has a nomination from a particular MOC, you cannot assume the appointment is being charged to that MOC. It ain't over until you get a TWE.

 

[A1Janitor]

Finally, I presume OP is asking the question because he/she is seeing announcements that someone else in his/her district has an Appointment. Don't assume that person has a nomination from a particular MOC.

In addition to this I would add that if it is known an appointee has a nomination from a particular MOC, you cannot assume the appointment is being charged to that MOC. It ain't over until you get a TWE.

All true.

But if they only give one name ... it seems like it would go against that MOC. Or the MOC wouldn’t be charged any nom?

And if this is an issue by OP it’s possibly because DS/DD didn’t get a nom from another source?

 

[kinnem]

Finally, I presume OP is asking the question because he/she is seeing announcements that someone else in his/her district has an Appointment. Don't assume that person has a nomination from a particular MOC.

In addition to this I would add that if it is known an appointee has a nomination from a particular MOC, you cannot assume the appointment is being charged to that MOC. It ain't over until you get a TWE.

All true.

But if they only give one name ... it seems like it would go against that MOC. Or the MOC wouldn’t be charged any nom?

And if this is an issue by OP it’s possibly because DS/DD didn’t get a nom from another source?

I'm extremely doubtful the MOC only gave one name. As you well know there is the risk of DQ and no waiver. No one will put all their eggs ion one basket. I think the OP misunderstood what he or she was being told. In answer to your last question, the appointee may have multiple nominations from various sources. Only the appointee would know that, generally speaking, so one can't assume it's charged to a particular MOC. It may be, but it also may not be.

 

[A1Janitor]

Finally, I presume OP is asking the question because he/she is seeing announcements that someone else in his/her district has an Appointment. Don't assume that person has a nomination from a particular MOC.

In addition to this I would add that if it is known an appointee has a nomination from a particular MOC, you cannot assume the appointment is being charged to that MOC. It ain't over until you get a TWE.

All true.

But if they only give one name ... it seems like it would go against that MOC. Or the MOC wouldn’t be charged any nom?

And if this is an issue by OP it’s possibly because DS/DD didn’t get a nom from another source?

I'm extremely doubtful the MOC only gave one name. As you well know there is the risk of DQ and no waiver. No one will put all their eggs ion one basket. I think the OP misunderstood what he or she was being told. In answer to your last question, the appointee may have multiple nominations from various sources. Only the appointee would know that, generally speaking, so one can't assume it's charged to a particular MOC. It may be, but it also may not be.

I agree with you. Just discussing it.

But let’s assume there is one name on MOC and that person has multiple noms. USNA would more than likely give the nom to MOC so other qualified candidates could use the Senators.

 

[kinnem]

Probably so since they cannot charge anyone else to that MOC.

 

[usna1985]

WRT to the OP, it could also be that the MOC committee said that the MOC would submit one name (candidate) to only one SA. IOW, the MOC would nominate a particular candidate to only one SA and not the others, regardless of how qualified the candidate is. This sometimes happens in very competitive districts in order to give the highest number of candidates at least one shot. Very hard to know from the OP's post.

It's also not even entirely clear if the OP even received a nom. By now, all candidates should have been told whether they received a nom and the information should be on the candidate's CIS portal.

Then get it in writing from MOC. Then go to the press.

Lots of luck on the former. As for the latter, MOCs who aren't using their noms to the fullest extent probably don't care whether they get bad publicity over it. Let's face it, a very, very tiny minority of constituents are personally impacted by the SA nomination process. The rest don't care (or don't even know about it). Such a story would get almost zero traction in most areas of the country.

 

[IN2MD]

WRT to the OP, it could also be that the MOC committee said that the MOC would submit one name (candidate) to only one SA. IOW, the MOC would nominate a particular candidate to only one SA and not the others, regardless of how qualified the candidate is. This sometimes happens in very competitive districts in order to give the highest number of candidates at least one shot. Very hard to know from the OP's post.

It's also not even entirely clear if the OP even received a nom. By now, all candidates should have been told whether they received a nom and the information should be on the candidate's CIS portal.

Then get it in writing from MOC. Then go to the press.

Lots of luck on the former. As for the latter, MOCs who aren't using their noms to the fullest extent probably don't care whether they get bad publicity over it. Let's face it, a very, very tiny minority of constituents are personally impacted by the SA nomination process. The rest don't care (or don't even know about it). Such a story would get almost zero traction in most areas of the country.

Hello, clearing some things up. I did receive the MOC nom from the MOC who's committee said "Theres eleven of you all competing for one name that we are submitting." I have emailed my MOC today but no word back because of the holiday. This was also the only SA that I was interviewing for. Also have the NJROTC nom.

 

[A1Janitor]

WRT to the OP, it could also be that the MOC committee said that the MOC would submit one name (candidate) to only one SA. IOW, the MOC would nominate a particular candidate to only one SA and not the others, regardless of how qualified the candidate is. This sometimes happens in very competitive districts in order to give the highest number of candidates at least one shot. Very hard to know from the OP's post.

It's also not even entirely clear if the OP even received a nom. By now, all candidates should have been told whether they received a nom and the information should be on the candidate's CIS portal.

Then get it in writing from MOC. Then go to the press.

Lots of luck on the former. As for the latter, MOCs who aren't using their noms to the fullest extent probably don't care whether they get bad publicity over it. Let's face it, a very, very tiny minority of constituents are personally impacted by the SA nomination process. The rest don't care (or don't even know about it). Such a story would get almost zero traction in most areas of the country.

Hello, clearing some things up. I did receive the MOC nom from the MOC who's committee said "Theres eleven of you all competing for one name that we are submitting." I have emailed my MOC today but no word back because of the holiday. This was also the only SA that I was interviewing for. Also have the NJROTC nom.

Oh. I wouldn’t call anyone.

 

[usna1985]

Hello, clearing some things up. I did receive the MOC nom from the MOC who's committee said "Theres eleven of you all competing for one name that we are submitting."

If you are in fact the only nominee from your district, and are fully qualified, you are likely to receive an appointment. If the MOC ended up submitting more than one name, then you will be competing against the others on your slate.

While being the only nominee would benefit you, it's not the best move for the MOC. The lone nominee could not be fully qualified for some reason -- which may not be known until after the MOC submits his/her slate -- resulting in no one from the district being appointed. But, it is the MOC's decision how to proceed.