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ChristianBale11

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Hi! I’m an ROTC CDT who was recently recommended for desenrollment and I wanted to know if there is a way I can appeal the decision. The reason was because I couldn’t find any information about the person who wrote a blog on the internet, I took 2 sentences and stick it to my essay which then resulted on plagiarism.
 
Also found this with a quick search of the above Google search:

ROTC Disenrollment Actions are governed by military regulations: Army Regulation 145-1, Navy Service Training Command Instruction 1533.2A and Air Force ROTC Instruction 36-2011.
Cadets or Midshipman who are referred for ROTC disenrollment are entitled to due process. They are provided with notice of ROTC disenrollment and afforded the opportunity to attend a disenrollment hearing or board. Cadets or Midshipman may waive or exercise this right. Upon being referred for ROTC disenrollment, the following questions are presented:

  • Is there a basis to disenroll or remove the Cadets or Midshipman from ROTC;
  • If so, should the Cadets or Midshipman be disenrolled from the program;
  • If disenrollment is warranted, should the Cadets or Midshipman be required to repay the scholarship benefits received;
  • And/or should the Cadets or Midshipman be ordered to perform a period of active duty service as an enlisted service member.
 
How can I know if the desenrollment recommendation whas actually submitted and processed by higher? Do I get a notification or something?
 
@ChristianBale11, time for you to take matters into your own hands and work with your chain of command. There’s only so much you can do on this forum. You’ve received good advice, so now start communicating in a mature and straightforward way. Show responsibility, remorse, personal growth. Take control of the situation directly. If you can’t do that now, you won’t as a commissioned officer either. And that’s not good.
 
MidCakePa said:
@ChristianBale11, time for you to take matters into your own hands and work with your chain of command. There’s only so much you can do on this forum. You’ve received good advice, so now start communicating in a mature and straightforward way. Show responsibility, remorse, personal growth. Take control of the situation directly. If you can’t do that now, you won’t as a commissioned officer either. And that’s not good.
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I’m so aware of everything you said right now. I already talked with my cadre and he will have a word with the PMS tomorrow. If he doesn’t reach an agreement I’ll have to start preparing a defense and submit an appeal (which I still don’t know how to do it). I have no intention in getting out so easy from the only thing I look forward on this life, being an Army officer. I told him the reason and what actually happened but he didn’t want to understand, still can’t believe that it was only for 2 sentences.
 
Were you allowed to attend Advanced Camp and did you receive an OMS and Branch assignment? (don't state the branch or the score or people will be able to ID you.).
 
ProudDad17 said:
Also found this with a quick search of the above Google search:

ROTC Disenrollment Actions are governed by military regulations: Army Regulation 145-1, Navy Service Training Command Instruction 1533.2A and Air Force ROTC Instruction 36-2011.
Cadets or Midshipman who are referred for ROTC disenrollment are entitled to due process. They are provided with notice of ROTC disenrollment and afforded the opportunity to attend a disenrollment hearing or board. Cadets or Midshipman may waive or exercise this right. Upon being referred for ROTC disenrollment, the following questions are presented:

  • Is there a basis to disenroll or remove the Cadets or Midshipman from ROTC;
  • If so, should the Cadets or Midshipman be disenrolled from the program;
  • If disenrollment is warranted, should the Cadets or Midshipman be required to repay the scholarship benefits received;
  • And/or should the Cadets or Midshipman be ordered to perform a period of active duty service as an enlisted service member.
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Can I contact an attorney for this matter? I think is kinda unfair to do this after all the effort I’ve been putting into this since day 1. I need to know how to start an appeal
 
Just curious, but how did someone figure out that you took two sentences from some misc blog on the internet? It would seem at worse that you would get graded down for not citing your info.
 
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Humey said:
Just curious, but how did someone figure out that you took two sentences from some misc blog on the internet?
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Most colleges use anti-plagiarism software that scans the internet and compares a PDF or WORD document to other works in cyberland. If a hit matches and the excerpt has not been attributed to the original source, it is considered plagiarism.
 
ChristianBale11 said:
Can I contact an attorney for this matter? I think is kinda unfair to do this after all the effort I’ve been putting into this since day 1. I need to know how to start an appeal
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@ChristianBale11, I understand you’re stressed, so let’s try this one more time. You got advice above about how to contact an attorney, so use it to find legal assistance. You got advice above about working with your chain of command, so use it to understand the appeals process. And you got advice above about taking responsibility, so get off the “but it was only two sentences” schtick. Appeals tend to go better when one understands their transgression, owns it without excuses, and promises not to do it again.
 
OP is there possibly more of this story we are not privy too? While plagiarism would be considered an honors violation I would not think one would get dismissed over it. I would think you would get a fail on the class and a letter of counseling from your PMS.
 
AROTC-dad said:
Were you allowed to attend Advanced Camp and did you receive an OMS and Branch assignment? (don't state the branch or the score or people will be able to ID you.).
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I did attend to advanced camp this past summer, I successfully graduated from CST, recently got my branch assignment and also the component... I have everything already sorted out with the system. But it seems unfair to loose everything for a mistake that I tried to fix.
 
sheriff3 said:
OP is there possibly more of this story we are not privy too? While plagiarism would be considered an honors violation I would not think one would get dismissed over it. I would think you would get a fail on the class and a letter of counseling from your PMS.
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DS had 3 or 5 kids in the class ahead of him that all got dismissed for plagiarism on their finals, 2 weeks before commissioning.
 
MidCakePa said:
ChristianBale11 said:
Can I contact an attorney for this matter? I think is kinda unfair to do this after all the effort I’ve been putting into this since day 1. I need to know how to start an appeal
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@ChristianBale11, I understand you’re stressed, so let’s try this one more time. You got advice above about how to contact an attorney, so use it to find legal assistance. You got advice above about working with your chain of command, so use it to understand the appeals process. And you got advice above about taking responsibility, so get off the “but it was only two sentences” schtick. Appeals tend to go better when one understands their transgression, owns it without excuses, and promises not to do it again.
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I totally agree, I understand that I need to stop feeling petty for myself and stand up. I’m conscious and the only thing I want is the chance to deffend myself because deep down I know the kind of leader I can get to be.
 
sheriff3 said:
OP is there possibly more of this story we are not privy too? While plagiarism would be considered an honors violation I would not think one would get dismissed over it. I would think you would get a fail on the class and a letter of counseling from your PMS.
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There may well be more to this that the OP has stated, but, at least for NROTC plagiarism is considered a major offense and the prescribed consequence is disenrollment, unless the PNS believes the mid can be rehabilitated before commissioning. So, it would seem at least that a freshman would have a better chance of not being disenrolled than a senior, since there is more time for development and rehabilitation. I'm sure the cadet/mid's track record, acceptance of responsibility and other factors would play heavily in the decision.
 
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