Det Dropped from AFROTC.. Now what?

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Hello!

I'll try to keep this straight forward. A while ago I am (or was) a AS200 Cadet awaiting for a PSP nomination. Unfortunately, I was one of numbers of people who were Det dropped by the commander before even being put in for PSP for failure to adhere to military retention standards (according to the counseling). The reason for the commander to drop me was because he/she believed that I was unmotivated and not fit for POC (or the needs of the AF) due to my performance and attendance during PT sessions, grades (weren't the best due to a hiccup of summer classes), PFA (80-85) and not passing the AFOQT. Keep in mind that there was still a few who weren't that great at it either and still needed to retake the AFOQT to fulfill this years requirement for SFT.

Basically I was given the "thanks for participating but we don't need you". The good part is, I am being dropped in good standing (not that I did anything stupid) and can reapply for any officer accessions program whether is AFROTC/OTS.

The program also created a financial burden for me since I was also paying huge fees for two schools since I am dual enrolled as per new policies of the commander but thats another topic.

I tried calling in to another detachment close to my home for possible re-enrollment but was told no due to the counseling that was written.

I knew I wanted to serve and this career was right for me since I was young. I made some sacrifices and put in lots of effort but was told no.

What are my options? Should I:

1.Wait off till graduation and apply for OTS
2.Keep trying to reapply to another program
3. Enlist into reserves and reapply
4. Enlist to active duty and apply for ROTC/OTS
5. ANG
6. Just enlist and feel good that I'm still serving my country


I appreciate your responses. I know my grammar sucks. Looking forward on Pima's response.
 
FullTimeCadet said:
Hello!

I'll try to keep this straight forward. A while ago I am (or was) a AS200 Cadet awaiting for a PSP nomination. Unfortunately, I was one of numbers of people who were Det dropped by the commander before even being put in for PSP for failure to adhere to military retention standards (according to the counseling). The reason for the commander to drop me was because he/she believed that I was unmotivated and not fit for POC (or the needs of the AF) due to my performance and attendance during PT sessions, grades (weren't the best due to a hiccup of summer classes), PFA (80-85) and not passing the AFOQT. Keep in mind that there was still a few who weren't that great at it either and still needed to retake the AFOQT to fulfill this years requirement for SFT.

Basically I was given the "thanks for participating but we don't need you". The good part is, I am being dropped in good standing (not that I did anything stupid) and can reapply for any officer accessions program whether is AFROTC/OTS.

The program also created a financial burden for me since I was also paying huge fees for two schools since I am dual enrolled as per new policies of the commander but thats another topic.

I tried calling in to another detachment close to my home for possible re-enrollment but was told no due to the counseling that was written.

I knew I wanted to serve and this career was right for me since I was young. I made some sacrifices and put in lots of effort but was told no.

What are my options? Should I:

1.Wait off till graduation and apply for OTS
2.Keep trying to reapply to another program
3. Enlist into reserves and reapply
4. Enlist to active duty and apply for ROTC/OTS
5. ANG
6. Just enlist and feel good that I'm still serving my country


I appreciate your responses. I know my grammar sucks. Looking forward on Pima's response.
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First thing I would do is determine what my part in all the above was and work on fixing that and forgetting about all the rest of the chaff. The only thing you have control over is you and your part. After serious evaluation, reassess your options. Good luck.
 
Not to pass undue judgement, but you said you put in lots of effort. I'm skeptical.
You mentioned PT attendance as an issue, as well as PFA scores, poor grades, and failing the AFOQT. Those are virtually all of the quantitative indicators of your performance in the program.
PT attendance comes entirely down to the effort you're willing to put in, it's not like you're going to have time conflicts that early in the morning. AFOQT is relatively easy to study for, especially to make the generous minimum scores. As a 200, you have had an entire year to prepare for the PFA and an 80-85 is low. Grades are another indicator of the effort you're willing to put in.
You listed your options. I think you need to stop making excuses, work on everything you can control, and keep pushing, whichever pipeline you choose.
 
When you got kicked out of ROTC due to poor PT attendance, poor PT performance, poor grades, failure to pass AFOQT, I believe it's reason to believe that it's time to move on. Perhaps ROTC was just too much of a drain on your time. I suggest you refocus all your efforts on getting great grades in school. If after you graduate you still would like to join the Air Force, apply to OTC.

If the financial burden is too great, consider a less expensive school or take a break from school and get a job.
 
Sorry, but I have to agree with the others.

Honestly an 80-85 PFA is INSANELY low....like, basically passing the mins on everything.
~ I have been here for 10+ yrs and I will say I have never read a post with those scores and getting picked up for SFT.

Additionally, you failed the AFOQT.
~ The AFOQT is akin to the ACT.

I have seen cadets picked up with low scores, BUT their gpa and PFA made the CoC feel they could fight for them with HQ AFROTC.

You have openly stated it was not only the PFA, and the AFOQT, but your grades too.

Personally, I would leave AFROTC. You state it is a financial burden because you are attending 2 schools. Getting out of ROTC will allow you the ability to buckle down and pump up your cgpa.

I would not enlist. It is much harder to switch from enlisted to officer than going the graduation and OCS route. Just make sure that this disenrollment will not have an impact on how an OCS board will see your records,
 
Based on what my son has told me about PFA and his scores, it seem like 80-85 is way low. He is usually in the middle of the pack when it comes to running and other tests and he typically gets a 95. However, he does get an incentive because anyone with a 95 or above doesnt have to atttend Friday morning PT and he rather sleep in.
 
I think it would be hard for you to gain entry into OTC, as being dropped from an officer producing program will affect your selection. Additionally, if you have bad grades, you probably won't improve them significantly in just two years.

If you have a strong desire to serve, I would enlist active duty upon graduation for 3 years, earn the Post 9-11 GI Bill, then use it to go to Grad School and rejoin ROTC. At that point you should be stronger, and more mature and be able to handle the dual demands of college and ROTC. Plus you would have real word experience, some money in your pocket, and your Masters Degree paid for.
 
Not going off track, but...what is the age limit now for ROTC commission.

Just asking, because if they graduate at 22. Assume 4 yrs to walk, that is 26. 2 yrs for grad. That means they are 28 at least.

I also know with AFROTC you must attend SFT and be a POC for 18 months. Timing might be issue on top of what Mohawk and I stated, depending on how they release you, you might not be eligible for OCS within the AF.
 
You have to commission before the year you turn 31. However, it is fairly easy to get an age waiver, especially if you have prior service.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! I appreciate the range of responses.

I do have the option to go back to the same detachment, the catch from the commander is to improve all the noted areas of infractions and most importantly pass the AFOQT. Otherwise, it will just be a rotten blow again.

Im seriously considering just to enlist in to the reserves right now while attending college. I probably I can just start off as E-3 (Got College, Jrotc, Mitchell award)

If I graduate, would the time in the reserves do me some good and perhaps enroll into any officer accessions such as OTS or AFROTC?
 
MohawkArmyROTC said:
You have to commission before the year you turn 31. However, it is fairly easy to get an age waiver, especially if you have prior service.
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You can definitely get a age waiver, I have an amount of priors in my same class ranging from SrAs to Techs. They all age about 28-30. They're either AS250s (3 year cadet) or on a accelerated 1-2 year program.
 
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