I don't recall anybody ever saying that.Finally,
Just me, but if a CC at any AFROTC unit says that as a tech recipient has a 100% shot for SFT as long as they meet the mins for gpa, knowing what I know now, would back away from them quickly.
I don't recall anybody ever saying that.Finally,
Just me, but if a CC at any AFROTC unit says that as a tech recipient has a 100% shot for SFT as long as they meet the mins for gpa, knowing what I know now, would back away from them quickly.
kinnem does that mean as a soph., they meet a mandated board as a non-scholarship mid?
For AFROTC you are not forced to apply for a scholarship. SFT is the make or break. Non-scholarship that attend SFT become 300's and that means they get the stipend. SFT is the deciding factor.
Jcleppe said:It is true that a scholarship cadet that keeps the min. GPA and APFT can continue through to graduation without going before a review board before their junior year. Such a cadet carrying only the Min. will most likely be forced Reserves.
I am not sure I am willing to bite off on that, not saying it is incorrect, just saying I see flaws with their suppositions.
1. Statistically 80-85% of the scholarships awarded are to tech majors, HOWEVER, @55% are selected for SFT and many of them are non-tech.
It puts us back in that scholarship recipients get an edge...they don't. AFROTC requires a min gpa of 2.8, but for SFT 3.0 as a tech is your bar.
Hey, I did this even in college. If I don't turn in this assignment, I still have an A so I think I'll go drink beer with my buddies. I occaisionally made a mis-calculation on the effect this would have on my grades!Our DS is an example of this. In middle school he figured out the % needed on tests to maintain a grade if he didn't hand in his hw for those freebie grades. He had to face me, Bullet was in the Green Zone, when I figured out he was working the system.
Packer said:I don't have a report but have asked this question at multiple detachments and this is what I have been told.
Scholarship cadets have a higher SFT selection rate for the following reasons:
Packer said:1) They are mostly tech majors
2) Their grades are better because they are not having to work to stay in school.
3) They were pre-screened through the scholarship selection process and picked as having the best chance of being succesful in college and AFROTC.
aglages said:It is possible for AFROTC scholarship cadets to game the system and get the first two years of college paid for. Just do the minimum neccassary to keep their scholarships during the first two years and they will not get SFT. Walk away with two years of college tuition for free. Not as good as four years...but better than none.
I think that is accurate. A non-tech candidate is facing an uphill battle both to receive a HSSP scholarship and to be selected for SFT. The AF is VERY clear about what majors they want.Additionally, number 1 would make me as a lurker feel like that as a non-tech candidate, it would be an uphill battle.
Correct. Not as good as four years but better than none. It is possible to game the system and receive a couple of years of tuition, books and stipend.Yes, but the fact is the AF still is only paying 2 yrs tuition, not 4.
Keep in mind that some non-tech majors actually have an overall higher SFT acceptance rate and their numbers may be hiding the true non-tech SFT rate. Nurses are considered non-tech and their acceptance rate is considerably higher than the posted numbers for tech majors. Aren't foreign language majors also considered non-tech? If you remove those two groups what would the non-tech SFT acceptance rate actually be?The minimum gpa for SFT selection tends to run a bit lower than that for non-techs too.
That is the thing they go Reserves, get a job and due to laws their "real" world job can't fire them if they are deployed.
However, the Army is on the hook for tens of thousands and the recouping of their investment is truly not a good ROI from a corporate standpoint.
The reason rated officers pay back 10 yrs is due to recouping the cost.
Not being antagnostic, but here's my question, a cadet gets a scholarship to an IVY, only went this route to pay for school. They intentionally do not want to serve AD, and due to this they figure out how to work the OML system (PFT score, gpa, etc) without doing damage to their competitiveness for the "real world".
Our DS is an example of this. In middle school he figured out the % needed on tests to maintain a grade if he didn't hand in his hw for those freebie grades. He had to face me, Bullet was in the Green Zone, when I figured out he was working the system.
You can't say that every cadet/mid wants to serve AD when they go ROTC scholarship. You can't say that some will maintain the mins to just pay for college.
Yes, they are the rarity, but rarity still infers they exist. At least for the AFROTC scholarship system that won't work, because as a sophomore you fight for SFT, and you have no guarantee.
Additionally every AFROTC cadet knows there is no choice of going Reserves upon graduation, scholarship or not. IMPO, that makes them think 2x when they are told YOU WILL GO AD.
Again, not implying the AF has the best system, they don't. However, I am saying that the ability to game the system is greatly reduced if you need them to pay for 4 yrs.
Aglahad,
So in other words, you can get an AROTC scholarship and not be forced to live one day AD?
Sorry my cranium is spinning because what I am reading is that the Army is paying 10's of thousands a yr for a scholarship and on top of that will pay them their reservist pay as they work for the corporate world.
That seems insane from a business standpoint. I pay for your college as an employer, but you go and work for someone else FT, and work for me PT, and I will pay you.
The military is a business, and the sooner we accept that the sooner we can get the budget under control.
Lockheed is not going to pay an employee to get their degree and allow them to go an work for Raytheon full time.
That is what I am reading.
AFROTC at least says you will work for us AD for 4 yrs at our desire.... in other words WE OWN YOU!
If the DOD has to cut costs and ROTC is on the chopping block, I can't understand paying close to 6 figures for an education and letting them go Reserves.
Aglahad,
So in other words, you can get an AROTC scholarship and not be forced to live one day AD?
If you think about it though the costs of having an AD officer greatly surpass a reserves officer in just a few years. The initial investment is the one that stings.