Federalist Article by Former Cadet

[cb7893]

Are you aware of what the Nuremberg Code says? If not, you should read it. It is an outcome of the Nuremberg trials but it’s not alleging the experiments.

Yes. I read it last night thinking, “No way. The Nuremburg Code, has got to be something different than the name implies.” I couldn’t believe that maybe, and unbelievably, that a 20 year old and her legal enablers would rely on a legal code that was written specifically to define certain war crimes and crimes against humanity. All as basis to refuse a vaccine.

She told Sean Hannity she will sue, so I assume the Nuremberg Code will be the basis of her brief.

 

[A1Janitor]

So you're stating that the new one has not been tested AT ALL. . . No limited or widespread user trials.
I don't think so. They are really really strict on this stuff. Generally, the US takes a much more rigorous and conservative
approach than most of the rest of the world and is often criticized for just that reason.

No. I am not saying that. I am saying they are different.

I am saying there are therapeutics.

As far as the US approach - I saw the mask silliness and private emails where Fauci said masks don’t work. People in the administration are connected to Big Pharma.

 

[OldRetSWO]

No. I am not saying that. I am saying they are different.

I am saying there are therapeutics.

NO! Adding stuff like "therapeutuics" changes the vaccine and would be more than enough reason to require a complete re-test.

Masks and Pharma have nothing to do with one another. As for connection to "Big Pharma". I remember last year when there were widespread rumors of Trump having a financial interest in hydroxychloroquine was why he was advocating it. It turned out that a company that Trump had a very small. . single digit thousand dollar investment in a French conglomerate that made hydroxychloroquine but it is generic and would not make an impact on the investment. I, like many/most Washington folks own shares in Mutual Funds that are invested to some degree in the Pharma world. I don't base any of my medical decisions on that small (almost invisible) part of my investments and I don't think that is a major issue in Congress. While I do not discount the impact of lobbying and campaign contributions, I also have seen many instances where action is taken that is opposite to the lobbying and contributions.

 

[Cerberi]

Yes. I read it last night thinking, “No way. The Nuremburg Code, has got to be something different than the name implies.” I couldn’t believe that maybe, and unbelievably, that a 20 year old and her legal enablers would rely on a legal code that was written specifically to define certain war crimes and crimes against humanity. All as basis to refuse a vaccine.

She told Sean Hannity she will sue, so I assume the Nuremberg Code will be the basis of her brief.

I think her argument will be on how they were treated and that it constitutes hazing

 

[cb7893]

Just to be clear, citizens of many nations, including Israel and the UK, are citing the Nuremberg Code (regarding medical experimentation ethics) to oppose mandatory vaccines. Their arguments hinge on their interpretation of Consent and Experimentation. Lots of information can be found in your Google Machine @cb7893

I am completely aware of and never surprised by the arguments used to justify any point of view. I admit the Nuremberg Code was a new one for me.

Interpreting the Nuremberg Code by itself, outside of the context of the Nazi War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity, would be like interpreting the US constitution while paying no attention to the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Federalist Papers.

 

[CatDog99]

Yes. I read it last night thinking, “No way. The Nuremburg Code, has got to be something different than the name implies.” I couldn’t believe that maybe, and unbelievably, that a 20 year old and her legal enablers would rely on a legal code that was written specifically to define certain war crimes and crimes against humanity. All as basis to refuse a vaccine.

She told Sean Hannity she will sue, so I assume the Nuremberg Code will be the basis of her brief.

Your answer demonstrates that you don't actually understand the purpose of the Nuremberg Code today. It is a foundational part of medical and scientific ethics regarding experiments involving humans. Any post-grad involved in human trials at a research university will be very familiar with it.

 

[cb7893]

I think her argument will be on how they were treated and that it constitutes hazing

Lord have mercy. I am really getting old.

 

[A1Janitor]

NO! Adding stuff like "therapeutuics" changes the vaccine and would be more than enough reason to require a complete re-test.

Masks and Pharma have nothing to do with one another. As for connection to "Big Pharma". I remember last year when there were widespread rumors of Trump having a financial interest in hydroxychloroquine was why he was advocating it. It turned out that a company that Trump had a very small. . single digit thousand dollar investment in a French conglomerate that made hydroxychloroquine but it is generic and would not make an impact on the investment. I, like many/most Washington folks own shares in Mutual Funds that are invested to some degree in the Pharma world. I don't base any of my medical decisions on that small (almost invisible) part of my investments and I don't think that is a major issue in Congress. While I do not discount the impact of lobbying and campaign contributions, I also have seen many instances where action is taken that is opposite to the lobbying and contributions.

No. They changed the vaccine. It is slightly different than the one with emergency approval.

Separate from that - there are therapeutics available. Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin did and continue to show promise. Some countries use them with great success. We are censored from discussing them.

Science isn’t a set answer. It is questioning things. The media and big tech have pushed a narrative. Reminds me of the russian hoax. All silent about the indictments and arrests coming out now.

 

[FutureAcademyDad?]

No. They changed the vaccine. It is slightly different than the one with emergency approval.

Sorry, but this statement is patently false.

 

[prairie full moon]

Sorry, but this statement is patently false.

Not patently false. The formulation has been changed. See the FDA FACT sheets from Aug 23, Sept 22, Oct 20, and Oct. 29.

The information and data are out there.

 

[prairie full moon]

Sorry, but this statement is patently false.

AND, no formulation has been studied for longer than 20 months, for anyone!

 

[FutureAcademyDad?]

Not patently false. The formulation has been changed. See the FDA FACT sheets from Aug 23, Sept 22, Oct 20, and Oct. 29.

The information and data are out there.

All 4 fact sheets specifically state that:
"[1] The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide doses for primary vaccination or a booster dose without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness."

There has been no change in the formulation. The revised fact sheets reflect the changes in the authorized applications, not any change in the vaccine itself.

 

[Capt MJ]

Oh no. Not this rabbit hole again. At least everyone is being civil, which I appreciate.

 

[prairie full moon]

All 4 fact sheets specifically state that:
"[1] The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide doses for primary vaccination or a booster dose without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness."

There has been no change in the formulation. The revised fact sheets reflect the changes in the authorized applications, not any change in the vaccine itself.

I will look up the early information that I found. The formulations are different.

As you quote in this thread, the formulation keeps changing in the material without testing. That is against standard FDA practice. This is the truth on its face.

 

[prairie full moon]

Oh no. Not this rabbit hole again. At least everyone is being civil, which I appreciate.

There is no point in not being civil, gracious even. We are talking about the deterioration of drug approval and dissemination in the USA.

I certainly cannot change what has happened. I have very little effect on what will happen. I can read and follow data and studies and listen to evidence and testimony.

 

[ThatGerman]

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It is here again. I asked my German friend if this was real or photoshopped....

We can call people Nazis, not really a good idea.

We can look at behavior and call it what it is and make direct observations about what it looks like.

We cannot fully understand anyone's intentions, they are held deep within us.

The picture is real. It shows the Rheinturm ("Rhine Tower") at Duesseldorf in April or May of 2021. The writing says "Vaccinate =Freedom".

 

[Devil Doc]

Godwin's Law is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches.

 

[Emsa]

This is political grandstanding pure and simple. Like Fox presenters railing against vaccine mandates while all participating in one, like Republican politicians cheering people on for refusing to take a vaccine that they themselves got the day it became available. The US military has had vaccine mandates for literally hundreds of years, for decades military personnel have been rolling up their sleeves and getting multiple shots quite possibly without having a clue as to their composition, testing and approval processes or possibly even what they are for. This controversy has nothing to do with a sudden fascination with the ingredients of differing batches of pfizer or an evaluation of the efficacy of natural vs vaccine immunity, it is entirely about playing politics, and playing politics with people's lives at that.

 

[cb7893]

Are you aware of what the Nuremberg Code says? If not, you should read it. It is an outcome of the Nuremberg trials but it’s not alleging the experiments.

MacDonald didn’t reference it without real research on the topic

The FDA approved vaccine is not available anywhere in the US. There are legal differences between what is FDA approved and what is EUA. It’s not a stretch to argue forcing people to take one as if it’s the other is an illegal order.

eventually the courts will decide

Are you aware of what the Nuremberg Code says? If not, you should look it up

There is no FDA approved Comarity (so?) drug available in the US only the legally distinct Emergency Use Only drug

The leadership is quibbling when they say they are the same.

it’s not a stretch to argue it’s a violation of the Nuremberg Code and thus an illegal order

The courts will decide soon enough, but don’t shoot the messenger if you aren’t familiar with the Nuremberg Code or the legal differences in the ‘vaccines’

I just hung up the phone after speaking to close friend, Past Chairman of a Big 10 U Chemistry Department. U Chicago BS, Harvard PhD., Yale Post Doc. Post Post Doc U Zurich. Has been visiting professor in France and German Universities. Currently a Board member of the National Science Foundation, distributor of Federal Grants in foundational science.

I still am not quite sure what his research is all about, but much of it is the most basic chemistry research funded almost entirely by the government and drug companies. What ever he does requires a TS clearance for which I was interviewed.

Your answer demonstrates that you don't actually understand the purpose of the Nuremberg Code today. It is a foundational part of medical and scientific ethics regarding experiments involving humans. Any post-grad involved in human trials at a research university will be very familiar with it.

I asked him specifically about the Nuremberg Code and it’s applicability to the devopment of vaccines and therapeutics for humans. His answer was, “I never heard of it until you asked me. But I think it would be applicable today to the hottest topic in BioSciences, CRISPR technology.”

If anyone would be sensitive to the word Nuremberg it would this fellow. Only three of his grandparents, all refugees, escaped the Holocaust.

Tomorrow I will call my friend who is research scientist for J and J—for cancer not vaccines. I’ll be interested to hear what her familiarity is with the Nuremberg code.

 

[RH3]

Some very large studies have indicated that prior covid immunity is substantial and greater and more longstanding than any vaccination.

Can you provide links to any of these studies?