Federalist Article by Former Cadet

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Goat 965 said:
Rhetorical question, no doubt, but a better one might be........how many cadets got sick (like my DD) and were tested for everything under the sun, except for Covid. My belief? If they didn't test them, they didn't become a negative statistic, reflective of how the Academy handled the situation. Optics and all........So, she was quarantined etc,. like she would have been IF she had Covid, but not tested. Since then, she has had a myriad of health issues, and was sent to a number of specialist by WP for some tests. Was told that her problems are a result of untreated Covid.

Let's pump the brakes on how great the Academy has done with this. There are more issues, besides simply whether to take the vax or not.
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Also because this is an EUA vax the manufacturers are not liable for any negative effects of the vax. So what happens if you get the vax and you get sick and west point medically separates you?
 
DDmom said:
Also because this is an EUA vax the manufacturers are not liable for any negative effects of the vax. So what happens if you get the vax and you get sick and west point medically separates you?
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For any cadet or midshipman involuntarily separated from an SA (not USMMA, as they are not AD) for medical reasons, their rights and benefits with the VA health care system will be explained to them.
 
It doesn't paywall for me. it shows that a team with 99% vaccination rate had a major outbreak of covid. Players are upset because they claim the UC Health system isn't being consistent with the protocol. Vaccinated players have a window where they don't need to be tested yet they were and many tested positive.

To me it ties into the larger issue discussed where the unvaccinated cadets are treated one way and the vaccinated another when the vaccine doesn't function as a vaccine pre august definition change by the CDC. You can vaccinate all the cadets and they will still get covid just like the Cal football team. You can say if you agree to be vaccinated we wont test you like the unvaccinated and soon to be gone cadets but you can still cause an undetected outbreak because the vaccines don't prevent you from catching or spreading covid.
 
DDmom said:
I respect your opinion but find it hard to believe that a Cadet passed dodmerb with a pre existing heart condition.
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The condition was unknown until the adverse reaction. We are not tested with any kind of EKG on the DoDMERB unless they ask for additional information (of which they had no reason to in this case). The cadet was found to have had a heart condition after it was aggravated by the vaccine.

I'm not going to engage on the latter half of your comment because quite frankly I do not have the energy nor interest in getting sucked back into this conversation that has no end.
 
prospective2019 said:
The condition was unknown until the adverse reaction. We are not tested with any kind of EKG on the DoDMERB unless they ask for additional information (of which they had no reason to in this case). The cadet was found to have had a heart condition after it was aggravated by the vaccine.
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Hell of an argument for the vaccine.
 
prospective2019 said:
The condition was unknown until the adverse reaction. We are not tested with any kind of EKG on the DoDMERB unless they ask for additional information (of which they had no reason to in this case). The cadet was found to have had a heart condition after it was aggravated by the vaccine.

I'm not going to engage on the latter half of your comment because quite frankly I do not have the energy nor interest in getting sucked back into this conversation that has no end.
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What pre-existing heart condition are you referring to? The vaccine is now well known to cause heart issues, especially in young adult males. Myocarditis is the most common manifestation of it - it CAUSES myocarditis with frightening regularity, it doesn’t aggravate it.
 
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Korab said:
What pre-existing heart condition are you referring to? The vaccine is now well known to cause heart issues, especially in young adult males. Myocarditis is the most common manifestation of it - it CAUSES myocarditis with frightening regularity, it doesn’t aggravate it.
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www.nejm.org

Myocarditis after Covid-19 Vaccination in a Large Health Care Organization | NEJM

Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Myocarditis after Covid-19 Vaccination in a Large Health Care Organization
www.nejm.org
 
Korab said:
Thanks for proving my point. The incidence of myocarditis is higher than adverse effects from actually contracting Covid amongst 16-29 year old males.
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Sorry. You’ve got me wrong. I’m not out to prove anything.
 
SADad said:
Passing this along without comment.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/04/how-covid-vaccine-coercion-drove-me-out-of-west-point/
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Figured I’d play “devils advocate” a little because it seems that a lot of responses have the same nature. I Respect this women for her choice and seems like someone who would’ve made a great officer. Sad to see her go

A lot of the the things she mentioned as “ostracization” seemed moreso like logical precautions being made(in my opinion). I’ll give some examples:

The first thing she mentions is the segregation and therefore violation of her rights to nondisclosure of medical information. If you put unvaccinated cadets with vaccinated cadets you are putting the health of your vaccinated cadets at risk. In my opinion The health of your personnel come before the feelings of a handful of unvaccinated cadets. There is probably a better way around this however.

The covid tests: this is extremely reasonable the way I see it, when you have cadets that are at a much higher risk of contracting then passing a disease, you have to test these cadets. However, she has that natural immunity that they’re not taking account of.

wearing the masks: again, the way I see it this is completely reasonable to ask of unvaccinated cadets. When you have a population of cadets that can contract the disease at a higher rate, a simple precaution like a mask for them can help prevent that. However, The environment and feeling of exclusive that sprouted from this was probably unjust.

all of the other things mentioned in the article are terrible and I sympathize with her. Stinks to see a cadet go.
 
HowBoutThemApples said:
Stinks to see a cadet go.
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She CHOSE to go. People in the military get vaccines and get them regularly. Sometimes there is not much notice and they
may even be Emergency Use/Experimental (ex: Anthrax). This is just the way it is and if this does not align with someone's
moral compass, religion or other beliefs then leaving the military is probably the best move.
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In this day and age, the military, the US military is unlike the military of the past in that we have many highly specialized and uniquely
trained folks who are integral to success of the unit and very hard to replace on short notice. When someone like Devil Doc is the assigned
Independent Duty Corpsman aboard a Destroyer, if they get ill for a few weeks with COVID, the ship might be left with zero medical
capability. I could easily come up with many similar examples.
 
HowBoutThemApples said:
If you put unvaccinated cadets with vaccinated cadets you are putting the health of your vaccinated cadets at risk. In my opinion The health of your personnel come before the feelings of a handful of unvaccinated cadets. There is probably a better way around this however.
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First, unvaccinated does not mean they have covid.

Second, if a cadet is vaccinated, how are they at risk from covid at all? Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t.

Third, the CDC came out and admitted they have no known case of a person who had covid (natural immunity) previously that transmitted covid to anyone else.

Fourth, we now know the vaccinated can transfer covid to others.

Science matters.
 
HowBoutThemApples said:
when you have cadets that are at a much higher risk of contracting then passing a disease, you have to test these cadets.
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HowBoutThemApples said:
When you have a population of cadets that can contract the disease at a higher rate,
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This is where I get really confused because I see these arguments quite a bit. I thought that essentially, the results in practice of the vaccine has been to save people's lives in terms of the severity of the covid case. That being said, I was under the impression that the vaccine does not stop someone from getting covid or from passing it on to others. Is this true?
 
jebdad said:
This is where I get really confused because I see these arguments quite a bit. I thought that essentially, the results in practice of the vaccine has been to save people's lives in terms of the severity of the covid case. That being said, I was under the impression that the vaccine does not stop someone from getting covid or from passing it on to others. Is this true?
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The latest science suggests that, even if a vaccinated person becomes infected with COVID, that vaccinated person is less likely to spread the disease to others than an infected unvaccinated person would be. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...kely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
 
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