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I can tell you one thing if she goes to Embry Riddle. She will be very popular. The male to female ration is something like 80/20. Make sure your daughter visits the campus. Everyone is going to have their own opinion about the place. My son and along with my wife went to visit it. They liked the place but felt the place was sort of sterile and didnt fall in love with it. I do know they have a lot of their graduates do get pilot spots, at least for those in AFRotc.
 
TexasAggie204 said:
Ditto...30 year old daughter. How did this happen?
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No kidding. I tell my kids when I was 25 I was married, a father & had a mortgage. In order to shame them, you know?.

But it's a lie. I was all those things when I was 29.

But my dumb-azz math-challenged sons have yet to call me on that claim!

P.S. Didn't get credit card 'til I was 28. Didn't get a cell phone 'til I was 32 (they didn't exist). No internet 'til I was 35 (ditto). How did I survive?
 
Just want to make sure one opportunity is not lost. No prior flight training is needed to branch aviation. However, if one wishes, one can learn to fly while in college too. By doing so, even if you don’t branch aviation or get chosen to be a pilot by the military, you can still serve, and still be a commercial pilot after your service.For females, there are massive scholarships available to cover flight fees. Flight fees are not covered by ROTC.It is just an option for you to be aware of if you have a daughter who may wish to be a pilot and wishes to serve. Please PM me with any questions. I’d be happy to try to help. I feel bad for those who go ROTC with a desire to be a pilot, but end up not flying or trained. The path described above it’s just one of many, but in my experience people don’t necessarily know about it. Good luck.
 
Herman_Snerd said:
Just want to make sure one opportunity is not lost. No prior flight training is needed to branch aviation. However, if one wishes, one can learn to fly while in college too. By doing so, even if you don’t branch aviation or get chosen to be a pilot by the military, you can still serve, and still be a commercial pilot after your service.For females, there are massive scholarships available to cover flight fees. Flight fees are not covered by ROTC.It is just an option for you to be aware of if you have a daughter who may wish to be a pilot and wishes to serve. Please PM me with any questions. I’d be happy to try to help. I feel bad for those who go ROTC with a desire to be a pilot, but end up not flying or trained. The path described above it’s just one of many, but in my experience people don’t necessarily know about it. Good luck.
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This is what keeps me saying “ooooohhhhh” in this thread. What if she doesn’t even get a pilot slot? I get setting yourself up for you best chance at XXX in life, but ‘ya gotta have a great plan B option. Things don’t always go as planned. Our minds change. Things happen beyond our control. There is so much more that goes into getting a pilot slot! Ultimately your college (as well as your major) doesn’t even matter. She should make sure she goes in and makes choices with eyes wide open!

Also, keep in mind that ultimately colleges are RECRUITING KIDS to pick them. Make certain there is CLEAR understanding of everything. It’s a BIG commitment!
 
Day-Tripper said:
No kidding. I tell my kids when I was 25 I was married, a father & had a mortgage. In order to shame them, you know?.

But it's a lie. I was all those things when I was 29.

But my dumb-azz math-challenged sons have yet to call me on that claim!

P.S. Didn't get credit card 'til I was 28. Didn't get a cell phone 'til I was 32 (they didn't exist). No internet 'til I was 35 (ditto). How did I survive?
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Still pay the cell phone & Netflix bill for my 23-year old O-1...and I was married, paying all my own bills, age 22.

ERAU is a fine school for aeronautical engineering, but tres expensive for flight school, which again is not needed to become a military pilot post-graduation.
 
I have a niece with a bachelor's in Geography from WVU (non ROTC)who went to Navy flight school, and a neighbor who was an accounting major at Hampton U (NROTC) who also went to flight school. Also, my dad went to flight school with a community college degree from Salinas Jr. College in California, but that was in 1942. :)
 
All good points - for those for whom flying is a nice to have/ OK if I do something else in both service AND career, then majors don't matter as stated above. However, there are some young people have a must-do goal to pursue flight in service and if not ultimately in life after serving, as a career. just reiterating for the OP or others interested - there is no guarantee one will get a pilot slot when commissioning in service, and currently females interested in flight school can get scholarships to cover most if not all of the prix très cher (boku expensive) flight fees that ROTC as a standard does not cover. And those are scholarships not tied to service or ROTC. At two different university info sessions, the flight-line instructors told the females in the room they would come for free if they get accepted. If one wants to be a pilot beyond the military / ultimately as a career then I would not count on the military to provide that training - any number of issues may derail. And of those slotted, there is a washout rate- it's not easy. Especially if the young person interested is female. if you want, you could double-major and do the training for free for you. Pretty rare moment in time for this - there is this path available for young women right now - in 5 years that window may close. I only wish my daughters wanted to fly but darn it they want to be a physician and not sure maybe a vet - but not a pilot. Just kidding - we love them and are supporting their dreams too. Good luck all.
 
AROTC-dad said:
Have your DD call School B and explain the misunderstanding and request a retraction of her Letter of Intent.

Hopefully they will understand and release her from any obligation.

Paying for one year at school A is a pretty good deal if the Army picks up the other three years. Even if she takes on a student loan for that first year, it is a hefty 75% discount. (I presume that School A out of pocket expenses are less than School B's $18,000 price tag?)
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If she can work through the process with School B and go to School A on 3-year scholarship, that may be best. My DD was given a 3-year AROTC in February so she accepted it. In April ( 2 months later), She received an email that she was upgraded to a 4-year. Miracles do happen. I hope this input helps.
 
My comment only applies for AFRotc. While it is true that you dont need any flight time or a pilot license to get a pilot spot in the Air Force, its would be lie to say that it doest help. I dont know what the Navy does, but one of the things the Air Force looks at is the cadets PCSM score. This score is made up of the pilot section of the AFOQT (think SAT) along with the test score of the TBAS (semi secret computer test of hand eye coordination plus more). However they do it, they add up the numbers together and you get a PCSM score. However, there is a secret ingredient to this and that is flight hours. For example, my son got a 95 on the pilots section of the AFOQT. After he took the TBAS test, he wound up with a 70 PCSM score. Not a bad score but not great as the top score is 99. Now because he had 201 flight hours, his PCSM score was bumped up to 98 which is a very good score. Now while the PCSM isnt the only thing the pilot board is looking at, it is one of the 4 or 5 things they are looking at and it does carry some weight. So if your other scores arent that great, a high PCSM score can make up the differnce. I think the average PCSM score for people who get a pilot spot is something like high 70s low 80s, so there are definitely people who get lower than that and get a spot. That of course means other things they look at make up for having a lower PCSM score. My point is that, while you dont need flight hours, it can greatly help. One other point, they will tell you that at UPT it doesnt make a difference if you have fight hours or not. That isnt exactly true. Most of the students who knew how to fly had an advantage early on especially with the early T-6 planes. What is true by the time, you get to the T-38 (fighter trainer) it doesnt make any difference.
 
Day-Tripper said:
I hear you. Still paying my 25 year old US Army captain's cell phone bill. He also uses my Netflix too. Sigh........
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I feel ya! I haven’t yet booted my eldest, Air Force kid off of my Netflix account either. She did share her Disney Plus account with me so I’m ok with it.
 
Humey said:
I can tell you one thing if she goes to Embry Riddle. She will be very popular. The male to female ration is something like 80/20. Make sure your daughter visits the campus. Everyone is going to have their own opinion about the place. My son and along with my wife went to visit it. They liked the place but felt the place was sort of sterile and didnt fall in love with it. I do know they have a lot of their graduates do get pilot spots, at least for those in AFRotc.
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She had her interview there so she got to see a little bit of it. I think she has mostly made up her mind and looks like the process of requesting a school change isn't all that difficult, so there's that.
 
Swimmom816 said:
If she can work through the process with School B and go to School A on 3-year scholarship, that may be best. My DD was given a 3-year AROTC in February so she accepted it. In April ( 2 months later), She received an email that she was upgraded to a 4-year. Miracles do happen. I hope this input helps.
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Yes, it helps a great deal. Thank you for that!
 
EEBTTF said:
@jlevy129 -My understanding is that ERAU will cover R&B with a 4-Year scholarship. Is that not the case?
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ERAU Prescott campus does not cover room and board with HSSP scholarships so I would assume that the Daytona campus would follow the same policy. If you can show us otherwise, we would be happy to follow up on it.
 
USAFA_2024_Candidate_Fam said:
ERAU Prescott campus does not cover room and board with HSSP scholarships so I would assume that the Daytona campus would follow the same policy. If you can show us otherwise, we would be happy to follow up on it.
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The Daytona campus does per the official Army Scholarship site

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Visit Their Site

(386) 226-6470
School Type : Uncategorized
This school offers the following additional incentives to students taking Army ROTC :
  • Free room and board to all Four-year, Three-year and Green-to-Gold scholarship winners.
Students at the following schools can take Army ROTC classes through the program at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University :
  • Bethune-Cookman College
  • Stetson University
Please contact the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University at the number above for more information about this program.
 
EEBTTF said:
@jlevy129 -My understanding is that ERAU will cover R&B with a 4-Year scholarship. Is that not the case?
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I just now saw this, sorry about that! I’m not sure about 4 year scholarships as my daughter won a 3 year scholarship but ERAU (Daytona campus) said they would give her up to 8k in grants to cover room and board.
 
Good post. Added details. covered is the 14 meal per week plan plus double occupancy dorm. All students required to live in dorms first two years. If you upgrade the meal plan or later to a single room you pay for it. All rotc room and board is taxed FYI from all schools.
EEBTTF said:
The Daytona campus does per the official Army Scholarship site

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Visit Their Site

(386) 226-6470
School Type : Uncategorized
This school offers the following additional incentives to students taking Army ROTC :
  • Free room and board to all Four-year, Three-year and Green-to-Gold scholarship winners.
Students at the following schools can take Army ROTC classes through the program at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University :
  • Bethune-Cookman College
  • Stetson University
Please contact the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University at the number above for more information about this program.
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jlevy129 said:
I just now saw this, sorry about that! I’m not sure about 4 year scholarships as my daughter won a 3 year scholarship but ERAU (Daytona campus) said they would give her up to 8k in grants to cover room and board.
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The free room and board applies to 3 year winners as well
 
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