Female wrestlers


Hold on mom - I'm sure you are your daughter's biggest fan, but consider this post:

Holden100 said:
DS has trained jiu jitsu since age 10, and joined his HS wrestling team as a freshman. It is an 'easier' transition with some grappling experience, but wrestling scholarships to D1 schools are few and very far between. It's tough. For comparison purposes, DS is a Pan AM jits champion (so, he's pretty good at jiu jitsu) and finally qualified for the state wrestling tournament last year. He is not, at all, being recruited for a wrestling scholarship. He does love it though!
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Is your daughter a Pan Am champion in a men's division? If not, @Holden100 's post should give you some perspective.

If it doesn't, consider that there is not a single woman on a Div. 1 men's wrestling roster. I'm sure your daughter is tough as nails, but it's important to be realistic in our expectations.
 
No doubt the gi is a great equalizer in jiu jitsu - kinda the point of jiu jitsu - to give smaller folks an advantage, if needed. My boys didn't train as much no gi, so most of their jiu jitsu has been in the gi. Based upon my own observations of boys transitioning from jiu jitsu to wrestlling, it takes a couple years for them to learn to combine both. But when they do, they are fantastic to watch. My older DS didn't get that chance until high school, unfortunately. My younger DS started wrestling in 5th grade (jiu jitsu training in 1st grade), so he'll be in a much more experienced position next year as a freshman. Your DD may learn to combine them quicker, especially if she's had more training in no gi. Any wrestling training will only help her jiu jitsu, and vice versa. Just wanted to add that USNA also has a jiu jitsu intramural or club team. My DS follows them on social media and was giving me an update on them just the other day! Good luck to your daughter in the next 2 years of HS and with wrestling if she does decide to take it up. She will enjoy it I think!
 
There was a video a few years ago that showed a USNA admissions committee meeting deciding on whether or not to appoint a candidate. The admissions officer presented her qualifications, academic, leadership, etc.

When discussing her athletic activities he noted that she was the goalie on the varsity lacrosse team - the boys team. Every person in the room immediately voted for appointment.

Wrestle on the boys team if you can.
 
jl123 said:
There was a video a few years ago that showed a USNA admissions committee meeting deciding on whether or not to appoint a candidate. The admissions officer presented her qualifications, academic, leadership, etc.

When discussing her athletic activities he noted that she was the goalie on the varsity lacrosse team - the boys team. Every person in the room immediately voted for appointment.

Wrestle on the boys team if you can.
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I remember this video! They had those blocks of wood that were green on half, and red on the other half. They all turned theirs to green.
 
Holden100 said:
No doubt the gi is a great equalizer in jiu jitsu - kinda the point of jiu jitsu - to give smaller folks an advantage, if needed. My boys didn't train as much no gi, so most of their jiu jitsu has been in the gi. Based upon my own observations of boys transitioning from jiu jitsu to wrestlling, it takes a couple years for them to learn to combine both. But when they do, they are fantastic to watch. My older DS didn't get that chance until high school, unfortunately. My younger DS started wrestling in 5th grade (jiu jitsu training in 1st grade), so he'll be in a much more experienced position next year as a freshman. Your DD may learn to combine them quicker, especially if she's had more training in no gi. Any wrestling training will only help her jiu jitsu, and vice versa. Just wanted to add that USNA also has a jiu jitsu intramural or club team. My DS follows them on social media and was giving me an update on them just the other day! Good luck to your daughter in the next 2 years of HS and with wrestling if she does decide to take it up. She will enjoy it I think!
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She trains 3 days per week gi and 2 days no gi.
 
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THParent said:
I remember this video! They had those blocks of wood that were green on half, and red on the other half. They all turned theirs to green.
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LOL I wish I could see what happened with my son.

That video of that girl was so awesome.
 
jl123 said:
When discussing her athletic activities he noted that she was the goalie on the varsity lacrosse team - the boys team. Every person in the room immediately voted for appointment.

Wrestle on the boys team if you can.
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Why has it taken 22 responses to make this point.

OP was quickly disabused of the notion that her DD would be recruited as a wrestler.

Nonetheless, DD seems not to be wasting her teenage golden years. She is following her passions. She’s not afraid of being beaten in front of a gymnasium crowd of people. Fear of failure is the bane of the newest generation of super kids.

@JitsMom take a breather. You have sharp DD. Let her do her thing and stop being her lawyer. I say this having been guilty of it myself. Those years are in my rear view mirror
 
cb7893 said:
Why has it taken 22 responses to make this point.

OP was quickly disabused of the notion that her DD would be recruited as a wrestler.

Nonetheless, DD seems not to be wasting her teenage golden years. She is following her passions. She’s not afraid of being beaten in front of a gymnasium crowd of people. Fear of failure is the bane of the newest generation of super kids.

@JitsMom take a breather. You have sharp DD. Let her do her thing and stop being her lawyer. I say this having been guilty of it myself. Those years are in my rear view mirror
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Like this x 1000! Awesome and so true.
 
Jeepman said:
It's right for us, with our values. It may not be right for you. Of course, sometimes we don't know what we would do in a particular situation until the situation actually becomes a reality. In this case, I am sure there are boys out there who would wrestle girls in high school and before, especially in a practice. In this case, what is "necessary" is something we probably don't agree on, and that's that.
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Something to consider...while choosing not to compete against a girl for sport is one thing, any male considering a life of service needs to be able to overcome those values in "real life". DD is at USNA where they routinely participate in "ground fighting"- a combo of wrestling until submission, usually through choke hold. This is usually done by teams and gender is not a primary consideration. DD has been very successful submitting larger, stronger men. On the flip side, she has also been submitted by males. During battle they are being taught to respect any opponent, regardless of gender or size.
 
This thread...virtue signaling is thick.

A few facts:
1. No, women cannot wrestle on Navy's D1 wrestling team, or, any other D1 wrestling team for that matter. There are fewer than 80 D1 wrestling schools and their rosters are packed with state champions and high school all americans.

2. The NCAA is studying the possibility of adding a framework for women's wrestling. Right now collegiate women wrestle under the NCWA framework at schools the are typically NAIA programs. Some NCAA D2 and 3 schools also have it, but they still wrestle outside the NCAA framework.

3. When a high school kid chooses not to wrestle a female wrestler; it is his choice. I watched a kid forfeit a match to a female in the opening round of a state tournament. The female lost her next 2 matches and was eliminated. The male wrestled his way back to take 3rd. Without the forfeit he would have been a state finalist, and perhaps a state champion. He simply had religious objections. Big deal. No one was harmed by his decision - except perhaps himself.
 
My previous comment was meant to address the OP's concern about how wrestling on the boys high school team might appear to an admissions committee. My opinion is that it would be viewed favorably.

I wrestled NCAA D-1 and have a clear understanding of the difference in competition at the high school and college level. A boy starting wrestling for the first time as a High School Junior or Senior has virtually no chance of competing at the NCAA D-1 level, even with a martial arts background. A girl has even less of a chance. Either may be able to wrestle at the High School level, but the skill differential to jump to the college level is huge.

However, since wrestling is an individual sport any boy or girl can prove their worth by entering tournaments and competing against top competition. Beat a state champion and the coaches will take notice of any boy or girl (if NCAA allows).
 
OP, you mentioned your daughter is not a stellar test taker and she is hoping to get in "on athletic recruitment", but then you say she is "an average athlete". 1. Average athletes do not get recruited, and 2. Even recruited athletes have to meet admission standards.

Since Navy does not have a D1 Field Hockey team (they have a coed club team), she is not swimming this year, and she can't wrestle on Navy's men's team, that leaves Javelin. Is she average or above average in javelin? How do her distances compare to current Navy throwers? Has she reached out to the Navy track coach? Now is the time!

If she wants to wrestle because she is interested in it, or because it will help her with JJ, or to keep her in shape for track season, great, but I wouldn't rely on it as a way to "stand out" on her application.

My advice if she is not a great test taker is to take some courses in the SAT and ACT and sign up to take those tests ASAP to get an idea on where she stands and where she need to improve.
 
Objective said:
While your statement is true, a first year wrestler would have a better chance being struck by lightning than beating a State Champion
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I think that was the point of the comment. If the kid can’t do that, D1 recruitment is only a pipe dream for a first year wrestler (except for those struck by lightning).
 
jl123 said:
There was a video a few years ago that showed a USNA admissions committee meeting deciding on whether or not to appoint a candidate. The admissions officer presented her qualifications, academic, leadership, etc.

When discussing her athletic activities he noted that she was the goalie on the varsity lacrosse team - the boys team. Every person in the room immediately voted for appointment.

Wrestle on the boys team if you can.
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Now don't everyone go out and try out for the Boys Team (in any sport) thinking that its the ticket to Admission just because it was on a Admissions video and referred to here ! :) The point being made in the video is the application stood out from all the others with high SAT/ACT's, leadership, athletics and community service. There are a lot of ways to stand out !

For OP, by all means ...DD should go out for Wrestling, if that's what she want's to do. She shouldn't do it just because she thinks it increases her chances at USNA. Being selected as Captain of one her other (women's) sports is probably more meaningful than simply participating on the Boy's wrestling team . (Of course, participating in boy's wrestling, being selected for Captain, and winning state would be really impressive).

THParent said:
They had those blocks of wood that were green on half, and red on the other half. They all turned theirs to green.
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> Yes, that's how they do it !
 
falconchic88 said:
OP, you mentioned your daughter is not a stellar test taker and she is hoping to get in "on athletic recruitment", but then you say she is "an average athlete". 1. Average athletes do not get recruited, and 2. Even recruited athletes have to meet admission standards.

Since Navy does not have a D1 Field Hockey team (they have a coed club team), she is not swimming this year, and she can't wrestle on Navy's men's team, that leaves Javelin. Is she average or above average in javelin? How do her distances compare to current Navy throwers? Has she reached out to the Navy track coach? Now is the time!

If she wants to wrestle because she is interested in it, or because it will help her with JJ, or to keep her in shape for track season, great, but I wouldn't rely on it as a way to "stand out" on her application.

My advice if she is not a great test taker is to take some courses in the SAT and ACT and sign up to take those tests ASAP to get an idea on where she stands and where she need to improve.
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Just wanted to clarify some things.

My daughter is a great athlete. Excels in everything she tries... Varsity everything. She's beaten almost every guy in her asvab class on their male physical fitness tests for each military branch. When I say average athlete, I mean she's not a state champion swimmer. She's not a state champion javelin thrower ( she's only just started last season for 3 months and personal best is 105' ). She helped her field hockey team to win the conference this year.

Since she's been training in no gi for years against other wrestlers, she thought maybe if she made varsity wrestling on the boys team this year she'd be noticed by usna. She wanted to know if there was a team at usna to join if she liked it.

Because of lack of interest, there's no SAT course this year at her school. She's always struggled with tests. Online courses have helped.

Her heart is at the usna. She wants to be the first female Navy seal. Her GPA is 3.7, she has a ton of volunteer house and leadership positions. Her SAT will be a challenge.
 
Great to hear! How much of a challenge - what’s her current beat score?
 
JitsMom said:
Just wanted to clarify some things.

My daughter is a great athlete. Excels in everything she tries... Varsity everything. She's beaten almost every guy in her asvab class on their male physical fitness tests for each military branch. When I say average athlete, I mean she's not a state champion swimmer. She's not a state champion javelin thrower ( she's only just started last season for 3 months and personal best is 105' ). She helped her field hockey team to win the conference this year.

Since she's been training in no gi for years against other wrestlers, she thought maybe if she made varsity wrestling on the boys team this year she'd be noticed by usna. She wanted to know if there was a team at usna to join if she liked it.

Because of lack of interest, there's no SAT course this year at her school. She's always struggled with tests. Online courses have helped.

Her heart is at the usna. She wants to be the first female Navy seal. Her GPA is 3.7, she has a ton of volunteer house and leadership positions. Her SAT will be a challenge.
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If your DD has taken the SAT or PSAT, Khan Academy will pull in that test to their site and cater a program for her (via her College Board account). My DS took the PSAT in 10th grade. He wanted a higher SAT and wanted to compete for NM status as an 11th grader. In about March of his sophomore year (after wrestling season) he had Khan Academy pull in his 10th grade test. Flash forward to October of his junior year (7 months and about 4,000 practice problems later), he raised his score over 200 points. It works, if you work the program. It's not terribly intensive (like 10 questions a day and make sure to do as many of the 8 practice tests as possible. The tests are entire tests, so will need to set aside a half a day to do it.). But it will work. And, it's free.
 
Wow, this has been an interesting thread. When a high school male wrestles a high school female the male has nothing to win and more to lose, whereas the female has more to win and virtually nothing to lose. Therefore, it makes little sense to place any male in that situation. Therefore, females should wrestle other females for the sake of simplicity and overall fairness. As for practices, no issue here with male and female teams practicing together, but again the males will surrender more and the females will gain more due to the fact that the varsity males need to practice with other males to get better since practicing with a female won't help them much in the weekend matches. I am all for female wrestling, and if both participants agree to a Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs expo that is one thing, but mingling the two in a varsity match, nah.
 
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