Five and Dive

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Great responses, I have learned a lot, thank you!.
Totally understand as a 17/18 year old can be very different from a 25 year old. The five and dive comments were voiced directly to and overheard by my kid. Us parents not involved.
I can understand attending USNA and being 1-4 years after and realizing this was a big mistake but I had interpreted kids saying this as meaning they had no interest and were using this for a free education and bragging rights, however it's a very hard 4 years for that alone!

There are probably some kids out there doing that but I will chalk it down to teenage bravado and being too cool for school!

Thanks again, a very informative discussion
 

Capt MJ

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I was a three and flee from OCS. Oh, wait, apparently I wasn’t.

i recall a time when ROTC was four and out the door.
 
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Capt MJ

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Have to admit, that's the "trap" a lot of my peers have fallen into. Screened for NSWDG, White House, JOCCP, CNODP, Naval Postgraduate School, LEP, Olmsted, FSEP...list goes on.

"Aw man, that's real cool...I'll do this real quick and then get out. Three year obligation is only one more tour."

It's like the Navy knows what it's doing.
It is definitely a carrot and stick cadence. I had completed my OCS pay back while I was in Spain but owed a bit more for the Tuition Aid I took for the M.S. I got after-hours in Spain. Maybe just one more tour then. They offered me orders to Naples, I said sure, visions of a fabulous PCS road-trip driving from Spain to Italy via Monte Carlo (yes, it was epic, 23 years old, a sports car and my best friend), and then realized DoD OCONUS tour lengths are usually a mandatory 3 years. What’s another year, I’ll have more travel time in the Med and Europe. Then they dangled a 6-month school in San Francisco followed by Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, for which I would incur new OBLISERV, but was a coveted spot in a new curriculum. Off I went, so owed another tour after that. Success led to promotion after my first competitive promotion board. Then I screened for XO, and and that led to O-5 promotion which led to screening for command, throw in two rotations to Pearl Harbor and multiple to SoCal, invited to be a BattO, rinse and repeat for promotion to captain and screening for major command…and then it’s 26 years later and the time has flown by. No regrets. None.
 
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jl123

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Another aspect when evaluating a fair payback for a service academy education - the value of flexibility (or lack thereof). A civilian college graduate can change companies or industries at any time and multiple times, as long as they can find a new employer.

An SA graduate is locked in. Just like evaluating CD or bond returns, there is value associated with time and the ease with which one can move into or out of an investment. The face value (cost of education) is only part of the equation, a factor that both buyers and sellers must consider.
 
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