Freshman Course Load for 'Second Time on the Roller Coaster'

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  1. smmtx1

    smmtx1 Member

    Aug 23, 2013
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    Anyone on the roller coaster for the second time want to share what courses/hours they (or their DS/DD) are taking freshman year? DS will be at Texas A&M and in the Corps – he’s taking the following courses for a total of 16 hours. DS has already taken all of his English, Federal Government, Economics, and Biology classes so he’ll be starting freshman year with 29 credit hours. The Corps academic advisors recommended if a student has already taken Calculus in high school they should take it again so that’s what he’s doing. They also recommended not to take Calculus 1 with Physics and to wait to take Physics with Calculus II.

    Chemistry for Engineers w/Lab – 4 hrs.
    Calculus 1 – 4 hrs.
    Cultural Geography – 3 hrs.
    State Government – 3 hrs.
    Intro to Naval Science w/Lab – 2 hrs.

    Seems like a tough academic schedule to manage along with Corps responsibilities and I think the next few months will bring A LOT of growth towards his USNA and military goals.
  2. Physicsguru

    Physicsguru 5-Year Member

    Jun 10, 2011
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    As a physics instructor, I agree with their recommendation. At the service academies Physics is a sophomore course. Much better to have the math down cold.
  3. Ex.BT.USN

    Ex.BT.USN Member

    Jan 6, 2013
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    I Will Add In...

    DS is on the NROTC scholarship and will be taking the following:

    Electrical Engineering Major

    Chemistry w/ Lab
    Fundamentals of Naval Science
    Naval Military Leadership
    ROTC Conditioning
    Professional Development and Ethics in Engineering and Computing

    The candidates were told not to take more than 18 credit hours. Because engineering students on average need to load up more one of the ROTC classes could be taken some other time. Like yours, with the transfer credits and AP scores from HS my DS got lucky and was able to take all the required ROTC classes. Again, like yours in all he is only taking 16 credit hours.

    During the regular student orientation the dean of the electrical engineering college helped my DS set-up his classes. He was well aware of how the NROTC works and was very helpful. He also rec. a pre-cal book that my DS already purchased and started to work on. He said he was happy that he got the book because he is finding things they did not teach in HS. I think it was like $12...

    Schaum's Outline of Precalculus, 3rd Edition: 618 Solved Problems + 20 Videos (Schaum's Outline Series)

    Hope this helps.
  4. currey

    currey Member

    Dec 17, 2013
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    At University of San Diego:
    Intro to Naval Science
    ROTC conditioning
    Calculus 1
    Intro to engineering
    Chemistry with lab
    Composition and Literature
    And rowing D1

    He will be a busy boy with that schedule.

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  5. BLUF

    BLUF Member

    Feb 27, 2014
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    DS scored a 5 on his Calculus AB AP exam

    According to College Board the USNA will accept this as an exemption for Calculus I. What should he take in its place at VMI? Rat year is challenging and grades usually take a beating, so he is thinking he should take something other than the next level Calculus in the 1st semester and keep his grades up. Any thoughts on this line of reasoning?

    Here is what College Board reports for scores and equivalent courses for USNA.

    Exam Title
    Min. Score Required -- Number of Credits Equivalent Course
    Biology 5 -- Biology 1
    Calculus AB 4 -- Calculus 1
    Calculus BC 4 -- Calculus 2
    English Language and Composition 5 -- English 1
    English Literature and Composition 5 -- English 1
    European History 5 -- -
    French Language and Culture 3 -- French 1,2
    French Language and Culture 4 -- French 3,4
    German Language and Culture 3 -- German 1,2
    French Language and Culture 4 -- German 3,4
    Macroeconomics 3 -- Intro Econ
    Microeconomics 3 -- Intro Econ
    Psychology 5 -- -
    Spanish Language and Culture 3 -- Spanish 1,2
    Spanish Language and Culture 4 -- Spanish 3,4
    Statistics 4 -- SM 219
    United States Government and Politics 5 -- FP130
    United States History 5 -- -
    World History 5 -- -
  6. MiddyB

    MiddyB Member

    Mar 11, 2014
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    It's my second time on this lovely ride. I'm attending Indiana University and taking 18 credit hours. I too could've skipped into sophomore level classes but decided against it.

    Calculus 1 - 4 hrs
    Chemistry w/lab - 5 hrs
    American History - 3 hrs
    Creative Writing - 3 hrs
    Leadership and Public Policy - 3 hrs

    When signing up for classes I asked to take physics. But first year physics included a lab and they would not allow me to take calculus, chemistry with lab and physics with lab.

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  7. Dial the gate

    Dial the gate Member

    Jan 29, 2013
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    Bluf, from what I understand DS said his counselor told him, since calculus is required, one can retake calc I, or move to calc II. DS also got a 5 on AP Calc AB and on BC so he had the option of taking calc I or II or if he really felt comfortable he could take calc III. He is a walking calculator (that big one that cost $200.00!) so he is going to take calc III.

    DS also struggled with a lack of an English class or history class to try and emulate a plebe schedule. But his counselor took the stress out of his hands and told him, not only does he not need those for his major, but he couldn't take that many credits anyway.

    University of Michigan, Nuclear Engineering major

    NROTC-1 credit
    Engineering (some kind of automated submersible class...gets to design and make an RC submarine. He's so exited!) -4 credits
    Calculus III-4 credits
    Chemistry w/ labs-6 credits
    Total of 16 credits

    Thank goodness for the NROTC unit's mandatory study sessions!

    There is so much available to these kids. I knew my college didn't have a lot of bells and whistles, but I must have gone to a college under a rock. I am truly amazed at all the really cool things that are offered to them.
  8. DC1220

    DC1220 Member

    Feb 18, 2013
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    is it bad if my school does not offer NROTC since it is a community college and that is all i can afford?
  9. CAmom2015

    CAmom2015 5-Year Member

    Mar 28, 2011
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    If you read the What To Do When Reapplying section, the moderator addresses this dilemma by stating that you should let USNA know the reason for enrolling in a community college is financial. USNA want to see that the re-applicants are able to do well in university level classes mimicking what the plebe year course load would look like. Just to your best to make A's in those classes and prove that you are what they are looking for in a 2019 plebe.
  10. ameisen_zug

    ameisen_zug Reapplicant

    Jan 7, 2013
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    Hi, I'm a reapplicant as well.

    I'll be attending an in-state college while living at home, and I wont be participating in NROTC because it doesn't exist at any of the schools in my state.

    Calc 1 (4CR)
    Chem (3CR)
    Chem Lab (1CR)
    Intro. to Comp. (3CR)
    Western Civ (3CR)
    Econ (3CR)

    For a grand total of 17 CR.

    My counselor said I have a manageable workload. I was thinking of bumping it up to 20CR, but since I will be commuting 2hrs each day total, effectively eating up study time in the car, I decided against it.

    I won't be doing varsity athletics, but I will be doing local races, and some other XC type sports. I also will be continuing my CAP membership, Church group membership, and various other programs.

    I think all my classes will be pretty manageable (will admit I'm pretty apprehensive on the chem, I've heard iffy things about the professor, really don't want to get anything below a B)

    Otherwise, I'm really excited to get the application moving :) I wish everyone success this upcoming semester.
  11. mdn18

    mdn18 Member

    Dec 8, 2013
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    Second time applicant here...

    Fall schedule:

    Chemistry for engineers w/ lab - 4.0
    Civilization - 3.0
    Calculus I - 4.0
    Fitness & Wellness I-Men - 1.0
    General Physics I-Engineering w/ lab - 4.0

    Total of 16 credits. Not too exciting but there's only so much that a freshman can choose. The Mechanical Engineering major is almost a set course load at my school. Electives come in the upper years - but by then I hope to be at USNA :thumb:

    Along with these classes, I may join the varsity swim team (D3), student government, and maybe something else. But grades are primary.
  12. Hopefull_in_NEFL

    Hopefull_in_NEFL Member

    Mar 14, 2014
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    Son will be taking:

    Chem w/Lab
    Major British Authors
    Intro to Engineering
    ROTC Conditioning

    16 total credit hours. He completed all histories in high school.
  13. spelly

    spelly Member

    Feb 19, 2014
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    DS taking:

    Chem & Lab
    Calc II
    Amer. Gov. & Politics
    World Lit
    Naval Hist & Warfare
    NROTC training

    Total 16.5 hrs

    He took Comp I & II in high school.
  14. Zaphod

    Zaphod 10-Year Member Founding Member

    Jun 8, 2006
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    I'm going to have one of those "I'm late for an exam I didn't attend any classes for and I'm slogging through the Yard butt-naked at Noon Meal Formation during my second go-around as a Midshipman" nightmares again, aren't I? :yllol:
  15. smmtx1

    smmtx1 Member

    Aug 23, 2013
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    Looks like everyone's prepped for a busy fall and ready for the Class of 2019!

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