How to Compare ROTC Detachments?

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Hello all - My son is interested in ROTC (Air Force or Navy). He is interested in studying computer science/cybersecurity in college. What is the best way to research the quality of ROTC detachments? He is only interested in host programs, not crosstown. He is currently interested in the following schools in no particular order:

University of Maryland College Park
UCLA
OSU Corvallis
CSU Ft. Collins
CU Boulder
San Diego State

If anyone has any research suggestions or experience with any of these schools I would love to hear your opinion. Thanks in advance!
 
Hello all - My son is interested in ROTC (Air Force or Navy). He is interested in studying computer science/cybersecurity in college. What is the best way to research the quality of ROTC detachments? He is only interested in host programs, not crosstown. He is currently interested in the following schools in no particular order:

University of Maryland College Park
UCLA
OSU Corvallis
CSU Ft. Collins
CU Boulder
San Diego State

If anyone has any research suggestions or experience with any of these schools I would love to hear your opinion. Thanks in advance!
Most colleges have a portion of their web site dedicated to ROTC programs. Try using the search function on their website to do an initial scan. That being said, select the college not the ROTC unit.
 
Most colleges have a portion of their web site dedicated to ROTC programs. Try using the search function on their website to do an initial scan. That being said, select the college not the ROTC unit.
Yes, my son has been scanning the school websites. That said, some schools put a lot of in depth information about ROTC on their websites and some have very little information at all. He doesn’t want to “judge a book by its cover” so to speak, so he’s hoping for some insight on other ways to assess the program strength and quality.
 
Reinforcing what’s already been said: Pick the school and not the unit. The school will have far, far more impact on the cadet’s happiness and satisfaction. Time spent with the unit is a small fraction of total time in college. So if the school isn’t working out and isn’t a good fit, the unit probably won’t either.

In the end, any unit is pretty much a product of its school. It’s a microcosm and a reflection, just as a fraternity or sports team or academic club is. The differences are likely at the fringes.
 
There was a very similar thread recently (I searched but couldn’t find it), and the general consensus is choose the school that seems the best fit (size, location, culture, whatever factors make sense) and feels right. If he is happy with the school, he’ll thrive, which will impact performance in ROTC. The units are all held to the same standard, have the same mission of preparing and launching professionally prepared junior officers.

School visits will be helpful. The recruiting officer in the ROTC unit can be contacted about visiting the unit.

Additionally, the rule of thumb in the military is 1/3 of the active duty people assigned turns over every year, as most non-operational tours tend to be 3 years. That great CO who welcomes your son at a school visit this year may be gone by next August, and a new CO comes in with a different leadership style. That mirrors the active duty experience.

Your son will get out of ROTC training what he puts into it. If he is fully engaged, leans in, gives 100%, becomes a valued member of the unit, he will get what he needs to succeed after he is commissioned.

One factor to consider is proximity to a major operating base from the same service. Conceivably, that might offer additional training opportunities.
 
Visit the campuses and meet with the ROTC cadre. Request to meet with current NROTC sophomores (they have the best perspectives for incoming freshmen from everything from what ROTC life is like, what dorms to live in, what meal plans to get, etc). I am going through this currently with my son. Also most units have a facebook page you can look at to get an idea.

My nephew was the midshipman battalion commander at UCLA on 4-year scholarship so I'm biased. Well-resourced unit. He got an aviation slot.

My kid was also thinking about UC Boulder but then lost interest. If you visit there I'd be very interested in your feedback.
 
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Hello all - My son is interested in ROTC (Air Force or Navy). He is interested in studying computer science/cybersecurity in college. What is the best way to research the quality of ROTC detachments? He is only interested in host programs, not crosstown. He is currently interested in the following schools in no particular order:

University of Maryland College Park
UCLA
OSU Corvallis
CSU Ft. Collins
CU Boulder
San Diego State

If anyone has any research suggestions or experience with any of these schools I would love to hear your opinion. Thanks in advance!
The advice on choosing school over ROTC units is key, as instruction is the same. Size and location of the ROTC unit can sometimes matter In the opportunities afforded cadets/midshipmen. Ultimately, commissioning and branch assignments will depend on the individuals performance, not the unit. If your son is interested in cyber security - make sure the college or university has one of these designations from the NSA collaborative government Agencies: https://www.nsa.gov/Academics/Centers-of-Academic-Excellence/
These institutions will typically have opportunities for students to participate in government sponsored internships and competitions.
 
I would echo all of what was said about choosing school not ROTC unit. You will get a feel for the differences. There are differences. And the cadre is not permanent. My son considered UCLA and SDSU. He is at MS1 at Univ of San Diego which is part of Aztec Battalion. He loves it. UCLA seemed like a good choice as well. SDSU is close to Miramar and it gives them good access for Nav training and field labs ect....he also likes that his workout options for dawn PT in San Diego include Mission Bay/Beach and Point Loma. San Diego is about as big of a military friendly city as there is.
 
We traveled to probably 15 schools and tried to visit each ROTC Detachment. Try to make a appointment when people will be there, we showed up to a few closed doors!
 
We traveled to probably 15 schools and tried to visit each ROTC Detachment. Try to make a appointment when people will be there, we showed up to a few closed doors!
An appointment is a good idea..... I don't think my son saw a single ROTC group/unit while on campus visits....I think he formed his opinion based on responsiveness through the process but these were already his top 7 schools.
 
Yes, my son has been scanning the school websites. That said, some schools put a lot of in depth information about ROTC on their websites and some have very little information at all. He doesn’t want to “judge a book by its cover” so to speak, so he’s hoping for some insight on other ways to assess the program strength and quality.
I've had three kids go through the same process (and applied to two of the schools in your list, but in the end did not choose either).

As mentioned, look at the school first. That is the most important. For instance, UCLA stands out academically and in other areas in your list. But it also depends on the major and how strong that school is for the major. Also, is he looking for a small school or a large school environment? Is he looking for a more urban setting with a lot of things to do like a UCLA, or a more suburban setting with access to skiing like the CO schools? If there is a school that's by far the first choice, go with it.

But your son does want to enjoy his ROTC experience and get a lot out of it. So, if one school does not stand out, you can try to compare the cadres in some ways because not all are created equal.

First, you can visit the schools in person (which you're probably doing) and also the cadres. This is a great option to gain insight into the cadres in terms of personnel, the energy level, activities for the cadets, etc. For instance, you can ask about summer activities such as Project Go. A good cadre will have info on summer activities and be presenting these to the cadets. Or are there cadet-run fun activities like a ski club or surfing club?

You can also look at the websites and social media accounts (FB, Instagram). To us, this provided interesting insights. For instance, one of the schools you listed had a terribly out-of-date website with very little info in comparison to other schools being looked at. That sent up a red flag - is the command not energetic, why aren't they trying to sell their cadre to potential students, is the commander in a soon-to-be-retired mode, why doesn't the command realize this generation is active on social media, etc?

(The schools my kids chose all had current websites with excellent info, and active social media sites that detailed activities, etc. Plus these were cadet-run sites which to us was positive.)

Another way to get some insight is to phone or email the cadres to set up appointments for visits. For us, some were very enthused in their responses. Others weren't or didn't even reply to the email.

There was a noticeable disparity among cadres that my kids looked into. That came into play in my kids' decisions because they did not have one school that stood out as their clear top choice (except for my daughter I should add).

In sum, the school should be the first factor. But you can do some things to look at the different cadres in the vent your son has multiple schools he'd be happy attending.

Good luck!
 
There was a very similar thread recently (I searched but couldn’t find it), and the general consensus is choose the school that seems the best fit (size, location, culture, whatever factors make sense) and feels right. If he is happy with the school, he’ll thrive, which will impact performance in ROTC. The units are all held to the same standard, have the same mission of preparing and launching professionally prepared junior officers.

School visits will be helpful. The recruiting officer in the ROTC unit can be contacted about visiting the unit.

Additionally, the rule of thumb in the military is 1/3 of the active duty people assigned turns over every year, as most non-operational tours tend to be 3 years. That great CO who welcomes your son at a school visit this year may be gone by next August, and a new CO comes in with a different leadership style. That mirrors the active duty experience.

Your son will get out of ROTC training what he puts into it. If he is fully engaged, leans in, gives 100%, becomes a valued member of the unit, he will get what he needs to succeed after he is commissioned.

One factor to consider is proximity to a major operating base from the same service. Conceivably, that might offer additional training opportunities.
Thank you for the feedback. Didn’t know about the 3 year tour.
 
There was a very similar thread recently (I searched but couldn’t find it), and the general consensus is choose the school that seems the best fit (size, location, culture, whatever factors make sense) and feels right. If he is happy with the school, he’ll thrive, which will impact performance in ROTC. The units are all held to the same standard, have the same mission of preparing and launching professionally prepared junior officers.

School visits will be helpful. The recruiting officer in the ROTC unit can be contacted about visiting the unit.

Additionally, the rule of thumb in the military is 1/3 of the active duty people assigned turns over every year, as most non-operational tours tend to be 3 years. That great CO who welcomes your son at a school visit this year may be gone by next August, and a new CO comes in with a different leadership style. That mirrors the active duty experience.

Your son will get out of ROTC training what he puts into it. If he is fully engaged, leans in, gives 100%, becomes a valued member of the unit, he will get what he needs to succeed after he is commissioned.

One factor to consider is proximity to a major operating base from the same service. Conceivably, that might offer additional training opportunities.
I've had three kids go through the same process (and applied to two of the schools in your list, but in the end did not choose either).

As mentioned, look at the school first. That is the most important. For instance, UCLA stands out academically and in other areas in your list. But it also depends on the major and how strong that school is for the major. Also, is he looking for a small school or a large school environment? Is he looking for a more urban setting with a lot of things to do like a UCLA, or a more suburban setting with access to skiing like the CO schools? If there is a school that's by far the first choice, go with it.

But your son does want to enjoy his ROTC experience and get a lot out of it. So, if one school does not stand out, you can try to compare the cadres in some ways because not all are created equal.

First, you can visit the schools in person (which you're probably doing) and also the cadres. This is a great option to gain insight into the cadres in terms of personnel, the energy level, activities for the cadets, etc. For instance, you can ask about summer activities such as Project Go. A good cadre will have info on summer activities and be presenting these to the cadets. Or are there cadet-run fun activities like a ski club or surfing club?

You can also look at the websites and social media accounts (FB, Instagram). To us, this provided interesting insights. For instance, one of the schools you listed had a terribly out-of-date website with very little info in comparison to other schools being looked at. That sent up a red flag - is the command not energetic, why aren't they trying to sell their cadre to potential students, is the commander in a soon-to-be-retired mode, why doesn't the command realize this generation is active on social media, etc?

(The schools my kids chose all had current websites with excellent info, and active social media sites that detailed activities, etc. Plus these were cadet-run sites which to us was positive.)

Another way to get some insight is to phone or email the cadres to set up appointments for visits. For us, some were very enthused in their responses. Others weren't or didn't even reply to the email.

There was a noticeable disparity among cadres that my kids looked into. That came into play in my kids' decisions because they did not have one school that stood out as their clear top choice (except for my daughter I should add).

In sum, the school should be the first factor. But you can do some things to look at the different cadres in the vent your son has multiple schools he'd be happy attending.

Good luck!
Thank you for the suggestions. I agree that non-responsiveness is likely a red flag. I’m not too social media savvy, but I’m sure my son is.
 
Thank you for the suggestions. I agree that non-responsiveness is likely a red flag. I’m not too social media savvy, but I’m sure my son is.
The social media point is a good one.
I always ask my son to send pics or update me. He is a premed major/honors student on ROTC ranger team...he doesn't have much time. His SDARMYROTC, 8bdarmyrotc and aztecsrotcbulldogs post pictures of FTX, daily PT, Land nav labs, night labs...literally everything. Last night my facebook let me know they were live streaming awards for fall semester (not my son) and I watched for 50 minutes like I was on the west coast and not 2,600 miles away from my son. I got a video of my son flying in the open door seat up the pacific coast and landing on the runway at Miramar from social media as well as action shots of him competing at Ranger Challenge in Norcal.
So a big factor to have a active school for me.
 
I recently transferred AFROTC detachments from University of Maryland (crosstown) to Virginia Tech and I can honestly say that the detachments were basically the same. The only major difference was the size. A smaller school will let you get more one-on-one time with your officers, but you will have less people to compete against and be more likely to be ranked lower. At a larger school, it can be a bit harder to get to know your leadership personally and stand out since there are so many Cadets, but it also offers better leadership development opportunities since there are more people to lead. The structure, the leadership, and the Cadets will change so frequently that you will get a fairly consistent experience regardless of what University you attend.

Choose your school based on academics, location, and extracurricular opportunities. Does your son want to fly? Find a school with an airport nearby. Does your son want to be a Developmental Engineer? Find a school with lots of different engineering and development clubs. Find what will help your son's professional development and prepare them the most. Also, if your son wants to go to an academy, but also wants regular college life, maybe look into Senior Military Colleges—they're a lot more work, but definitely worth it.

As someone said before, proximity to a base and geographic location is more important than you may realize. At my old detachment (UMD), I was offered the opportunity to go to base visits and cool opportunities left and right. At VT, I have yet to hear of a single opportunity. Also, during things like Career day (where active duty officers come and talk about their career fields), you will have more people show up and will ultimately learn more. At UMD, we also had multiple people who were in town at the Pentagon come and speak to us, but that's unlikely to happen at VT since we're like 3-4 hours away from any major base.

It's a hard decision and will ultimately impact your trajectory for the future, but also know that you're always able to change that decision. Transferring has been one of the best decisions I made and it also gave me the opportunity to see two different operating cultures and helped my professional development a lot. If your son is ever considering changing schools, please don't be one of the parents that immediately shuts it down.

Also, as far as communication goes, don't let that first impression dictate your view of the school. The person who is manning the email may have just had an extra busy week or is on leave. One person doesn't make up the entire culture of the Detachment so give it a shot even if it takes sending a follow-up email.

Best of luck to you in your college selection process.
 
I am not starting a new thread, but this thread seems applicable. I would like to find the size of NROTC units. It seems that Midshipmen have more leadership and friend options if there are more Midshipmen in the detachment. I found that in the NC Consortium NC State has over 80 students which is almost double UNC/Duke combined, and Mizzou has around 40 students, since we just visited campus over Thanksgiving for a football game. I believe that San Diego, Penn State and Notre Dame have very large units. I think Purdue might be on the large side and Michigan on the small side comparing some online photos.

Does NROTC have some kind of info on how many Midshipmen and how many are Marine Options at each detachment?
 
The advice to pick the school not the ROTC program is very true, because just like a scholarship athlete, what happens if there is an injury and you lose your sport/ROTC slot. However, I think understanding the differences in the ROTC programs and having that be a factor in your school choice is important. While it varies for everybody, for most, ROTC will be a big part of their college experience. There is a big difference between programs, big vs. small, leadership opportunities, participation levels, training opportunities, morale, host vs. non-host school, etc. Unfortunately, the information on the internet is somewhat generic and not very helpful. My son didn't get a feel until we visited the schools and the programs. Everybody within the various Army ROTC programs we met with were great and informative. Unfortunately, you likely can't visit everywhere, but I strongly suggest you visit an ROTC program before deciding to go to school there.
 
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