I want to be the best pilot in the U.S. Armed Forces. Navy or Airforce?

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USNA69

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Apparently the forum is not going to enforce their own requests and continue to allow undue personal attacks such as this:

hornetguy said:
Bullet, why stoop down to the level of a bitter old man?

Hey, little kid, go back to your toys and try to refrain from your feeble attempts at amateur psychology. You obviously know absolutely nothing whatsoever about my demeanor. Don’t they teach you anything about respect or decorum at Colorado Springs? A little advice. Most intelligent people don’t jump into the middle of a conversation about which they obviously know nothing.

csBlaZe said:
Yo Bullet, I totally believed you were an Eagle drive(r) from the start.

Blaze, sorry you were duped. This sort of thing should never happen on a forum such as this.

TheCommissioner said:
Please correct me if I am wrong here, but in aircraft with a two-person crew, isn't the WSO really a co-pilot? Doesn't the WSO have access to controls and instruments, not to mention the training necessary to fly and land the aircraft if the pilot becomes incapacitated?

Sorry. Nope. You are wrong. If it were only so simple, Pima could probably regain some of his credibility. Don’t think it has happened since the AF version of the F-4 Phantom and they were both, Pima, correct me if I am wrong, real pilots. Pardon me for having to differentiate between ‘implied’ pilots and ‘real’ pilots on this thread.

Pima said:
I think I have the expereince and the credentials to accurately answer their questions.

Don’t you think that interjecting your now obviously totally irrelevant admissions portrait below into the discussion is both beside the point and perhaps even misleading?

Pima said:
Trust me, I had semesters that would have made the guys in the Delta House (the fraternity from Animal House) proud!

But did the pilot applicants? Perhaps they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel a little deeper for you guys. Hopefully no one wanting to be a pilot was duped by this small attempt to deceive.

Pima said:
I have to ask, What did you fly?

Why do you “have to ask”? We are discussing your credibility. I don’t see any questions that mine is at stake. Nor did I realize this was an ‘unzip, you show me yours and I’ll show you mine’ type of discussion. Or is this something perhaps peculiar to the method F-15 ‘flyers’ utilize to settle differences? If you are truly interested, I think you can dig back through this forum and find out a lot more about me than I ever intended to disclose. And probably enough to dissuade you in your attempt to get me to unzip.

‘Drivers’ are pilots and ‘jocks’ are pilots. Never seen a horse race yet that the jockey didn’t have the reins and whip nor one with a ‘cojockey’ sitting on the back twisting dials and punching buttons. Nor any type of vehicle where the ‘driver’ did not have control of the steering wheel, gear shift, throttle, brakes, etc. Sorry.

Hey, bullet, instead of trying to convince us ignorant unwashed masses of what you are, why don’t you sanitize your identification from all your posts on this thread where you have been defending yourself and stick them up on your RR wall? No, better yet, hang them by the bar. And send us the ensuing comments. Or, with your permission, I will send it to my son and he can do the same at Oceana. Nevermind, Navy NFOs do not deserve the implied comparison.

Yes, I am very proud of the fact that I am a Naval Aviator. The application process was more selective and the training more intense, the opportunity for failure much greater. No one was ever forced to 'go' pilot after washing out of WSO/NFO school. The pilot has one additional responsibility, a huge responsibility, which is the safety of his crew and returning them safely to deck. Most flight crews understand and respect this. It is a responsibility that honestly still causes me to occassionally wake up in a cold sweat 20 year later. Note that bullet's 'resume' includes mission commander time but no aircraft commander time. There is a reason. Great teamwork, as Pima mentions, is a given. Getting that aircraft back aboard a pitching wet deck at night is a huge additional responsibility, most primarily that of the pilot. There is a difference and in the Navy we all respect it. Probably also more in the AF than Bullet would allow us to think.
 
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Luigi59

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Un-effing-believable. :thumbdown:

USNA69 said:
Apparently the forum is not going to enforce their own requests and continue to allow undue personal attacks such as this

Then leave if it doesn't meet your high standards. Why stick around a place that alows you to be insulted and attacked? Your problem is solved.

BTW - Who threw the first personal attack other than YOU? Did you not start it with the "poseur" comment, or are you conveniently forgetting calling the pot black, Mr kettle?
 

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I am applying to both the Air Force academy and Naval academy. I really want to go to the air force academy because it will hands down provide a much better expierience for me then the naval academy. But career wise, who has a better flight program? The Navy or Air Force? Which one makes better pilots? Thanks again.

The mission of the Air Force centers around flight, in air and space.

The mission of the Navy is riding around in gray surface ships.

Pretty easy.
 

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Yawn!

A huge part of me, the proessional officer side, wants to follow the request of the moderators on this site and not dignify your attacks with a response. I neither care what you think nor have the inclination to try to get into a point by point rebuttal to your inputs. Why? I know what my job involves in the service of my country, and I know exactly how important it is.

However, I can not side aside as you attack some young posters who see you for what you are, know the real story, and have come to my defense.
For shame! Isn't the purpose of this site to help these young men and women who are interested in a possible career following you and I in the service of this great nation? How dare you sit there and throw insults at them! Are you really a BGO for the USNA? I'm tempted to contact members of this fine institution and let them know how you are representing them.

(For you young ladies and gentlemen who are considering the USNA, I hope you please understand that this individual does not reflect the attitudes and professionalism of this fine institution. Please do not let his words and actions disway you from considering attending there).

I'm sure the moderators of this fine site have reached their limit with you. You seem to have served a useful purpose in the past here, and have given many young men and women some outstanding advise. In my humble opinion, that time has long past, and this site (and more importantly, the young menand women relying onthis site for unbiased, souind advise) wold be better served if you were no longer a part of it.

BTW, per your suggestion, I will copy most of these comments, my originals and your uniformed responses, and post them for every flyer, pilot and WSO, int he Strike Eagle community to see for themselves. If you had any courage, you'd PM me with your actual e-mail address. I expect your mail box to be full within a few days from my squadron mates contacting you with thier opinions on your posts.

To the moderators, my apologies for getting involved again, against your wishes. Couldn't care less what this guy thinks of me. But when he starts attacking kids on this site, it's time for you to step in and rectify this situation. I can handle myself, but he has gone way beyond his usefullness.
My recommendatio: this thread needs to be erased. What a shame, as the OP had some use for real information. My apologies Flyboy, that your innocent question caused such a fiasco.
 

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Reminder to everyone the USAFA forum COC:

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If provided information is found or considered to be less than accurate, we will either mark the information as questionable or innacurate, or else edit the post accordingly. This is all being done with the desire to ensure that applicants and parents receive only the best information possible
 

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Yawn!

A huge part of me, the proessional officer side, wants to follow the request of the moderators on this site and not dignify your attacks with a response. I neither care what you think nor have the inclination to try to get into a point by point rebuttal to your inputs. Why? I know what my job involves in the service of my country, and I know exactly how important it is.

However, I can not side aside as you attack some young posters who see you for what you are, know the real story, and have come to my defense.
For shame! Isn't the purpose of this site to help these young men and women who are interested in a possible career following you and I in the service of this great nation? How dare you sit there and throw insults at them! Are you really a BGO for the USNA? I'm tempted to contact members of this fine institution and let them know how you are representing them.

(For you young ladies and gentlemen who are considering the USNA, I hope you please understand that this individual does not reflect the attitudes and professionalism of this fine institution. Please do not let his words and actions disway you from considering attending there).

I'm sure the moderators of this fine site have reached their limit with you. You seem to have served a useful purpose in the past here, and have given many young men and women some outstanding advise. In my humble opinion, that time has long past, and this site (and more importantly, the young menand women relying onthis site for unbiased, souind advise) wold be better served if you were no longer a part of it.

BTW, per your suggestion, I will copy most of these comments, my originals and your uniformed responses, and post them for every flyer, pilot and WSO, int he Strike Eagle community to see for themselves. If you had any courage, you'd PM me with your actual e-mail address. I expect your mail box to be full within a few days from my squadron mates contacting you with thier opinions on your posts.

To the moderators, my apologies for getting involved again, against your wishes. Couldn't care less what this guy thinks of me. But when he starts attacking kids on this site, it's time for you to step in and rectify this situation. I can handle myself, but he has gone way beyond his usefullness.
My recommendatio: this thread needs to be erased. What a shame, as the OP had some use for real information. My apologies Flyboy, that your innocent question caused such a fiasco.

GREAT post, Pima. :thumb:

Most people here agree 100% with you, and have for some time.
 

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I have closed the " I want to be the best pilot....." thread. I will be reviewing all the posts and sending out PM's regarding anything that is against the Code of Conduct. Until then, I will not be issuing any warnings. Please do not attemp to continue this in any other thread.

The moderators here are trying to keep this forum on track, while allowing free discussion. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

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