January 4, 2011 AROTC Board

[patentesq]

This is something that may be just happening with the Jan. board and possibly the next (last) board. My son received the scholarship to 5 schools on the Oct. board. The current budget problems and other changes we never hear about may be the reason only one school is being offered. We will have to wait and see when people start posting the schools that are offered this board.

I'm not sure how awarding only one school advances anything budget-wise. DS/DDs are only permitted to attend one school in the end. No?

 

[Jcleppe]

AFROTC Mom, but I agree with goalie, they don't talk about scholarships at all.

Scholarship or no scholarship will not impact your ranking.

Paradoxer,

again I will defer to Marist and clarkson on the OML question.

I will say for AFROTC OML is a big factor. You will find out when they go for career assignments they will use OML in determining the path.

One point I will make regarding scholarship cadets. This is for AROTC and based on my son's batallion.

There are scholarship cadets, SMP, GRFD, Green to Gold, and walk on cadets. Walk on cadets will not contract until the beginning of their junior year and depends on their grades, participation, and the PMS blessing. Once they are contracted they will receive the stipend. At my son's school non contracted cadets are not allowed to attend summer schools during the summer after their sophomore year, they are placed on the OML with the rest of the cadets but are not eligible for the superior cadet award until they are contracted. Other then that they can and are encouraged to participate in classes, PT, labs and all activities, in fact if they don't they will find it hard to be contracted

The only downside I see for non contracted cadets is this, if the Army starts to shrink the number of officers it needs to commission, there will be fewer walk ons being contracted in their junior year, so best to be at the top of your game. The only other thing is that not all batallions have the funds to give uniforms and equipment to all the walk ons. Unfortunatly at my son's school the non contracted cadet wear civilian clothes for FTX and Labs. My son also said that every walk on that participated fully and kept their grades and PT scores up have been able to contract since he has been there, unfortunatly a lot of them drop out of the program before they can contract. I would think everyone from this board that decided to go as a walk on will make it through without a problem, these are great kids and they will do very well I am sure.

Looks like more offers are still comming, Congratulations Sg1fan93!!
Hang in there everyone.

 

[Jcleppe]

I'm not sure how awarding only one school advances anything budget-wise. DS/DDs are only permitted to attend one school in the end. No?

It would only make a difference budget wise if they only offered to the school that was in state or the least expensive of the schools listed.

My son's schools he listed had a tuition range from $8,000.00 to $34,000.00. If they were to only offer the scholarship to the school with the $8,000.00 tuition I would think it was budget related.

 

[patentesq]

Everyone is finding out the same day it seems.

Hmmmmm . . . I wonder if certain military services are nervous about a shutdown next week and the impact that might have on their ability to issue awards.

 

[paradoxer]

I must be missing something

I'm not sure how awarding only one school advances anything budget-wise. DS/DDs are only permitted to attend one school in the end. No?

School 1 cost =10,000
School 2 cost =20,000
School 3 cost =30,000

CC picking school for you can regulate the budget in a huge way by them picking school 1 for most students.

 

[Pima]

There is a sense of confusion regarding the budget...DOD is one thing and federal budget is another.

Bullet works at the Pentagon in the AF sector, but is employed by the fed. not the DOD. He is already joking that he may be not going to work next Friday. The AD officers who work side by side with him in his office as his counterparts are not even thinking this will impact them.

I also agree with paradoxer, school matters. Look at the AFROTC system. Type 7 can only be used for X amt of money, if the school costs more than the recipient is alloted they will have to change it to a 3 yr Type 2. This system allows the AF to re-distribute money. Type 7 is the most common award out of the 3.

 

[patentesq]

School 1 cost =10,000
School 2 cost =20,000
School 3 cost =30,000

CC picking school for you can regulate the budget in a huge way by them picking school 1 for most students.

We'll see how it plays out next week. My DS's tuitions for his selected schools are as follows:

School 1 cost = Obscene Amount
School 2 cost = Obscene Amount
School 3 cost = Obscene Amount
School 4 cost = Obscene Amount
School 5 cost = Obscene Amount
School 6 cost = Obscene Amount
School 7 cost = Obscene Amount

Probability of admission at each of above schools = 0.000003433241%

 

[ProudMom]

We'll see how it plays out next week. My DS's tuitions for his selected schools are as follows:

School 1 cost = Obscene Amount
School 2 cost = Obscene Amount
School 3 cost = Obscene Amount
School 4 cost = Obscene Amount
School 5 cost = Obscene Amount
School 6 cost = Obscene Amount
School 7 cost = Obscene Amount

Probability of admission at each of above schools = 0.000003433241%

LOL

 

[patentesq]

He is already joking that he may be not going to work.

Sounds like a 100% paid vacation of undefined duration is in the works.

Start compiling a list of household chores, Pima!!

 

[paradoxer]

I'm not sure

We'll see how it plays out next week. My DS's tuitions for his selected schools are as follows:

School 1 cost = Obscene Amount
School 2 cost = Obscene Amount
School 3 cost = Obscene Amount
School 4 cost = Obscene Amount
School 5 cost = Obscene Amount
School 6 cost = Obscene Amount
School 7 cost = Obscene Amount

Probability of admission at each of above schools = 0.000003433241%

Why you would let your DS apply to so many obscene schools? Couldn't you find any with some moral framework?

Sorry, it's late in the day and late in the week. Anyone with his stats should apply anywhere they want.

 

[bjkuds]

We'll see how it plays out next week. My DS's tuitions for his selected schools are as follows:

School 1 cost = Obscene Amount
School 2 cost = Obscene Amount
School 3 cost = Obscene Amount
School 4 cost = Obscene Amount
School 5 cost = Obscene Amount
School 6 cost = Obscene Amount
School 7 cost = Obscene Amount

Probability of admission at each of above schools = 0.000003433241%

Hehe I feel your pain

 

[Pima]

Off topic, but honestly I love Bullet too much to have his arse home and go insane.

He may beaacchhh about his job, but he and I both know the one thing he loves is beaaccchhinng about his job!

Back on point. Just realize that the federal govt is not = to DOD. Federal employees are not military employees. They may work on military projects, but their 1040 employer ID is not the same as the O1 in the ARMY

 

[Jcleppe]

We'll see how it plays out next week. My DS's tuitions for his selected schools are as follows:

School 1 cost = Obscene Amount
School 2 cost = Obscene Amount
School 3 cost = Obscene Amount
School 4 cost = Obscene Amount
School 5 cost = Obscene Amount
School 6 cost = Obscene Amount
School 7 cost = Obscene Amount

Probability of admission at each of above schools = 0.000003433241%

Budget Buster!!

I hope you know I'm only joking.

One thing to remember, when we first started this process with our older son nearly 4 years ago, the PMS told us that one of the deciding factors of whether he put a yes next to an applicants name was whether he felt the applicant had a reasonable chance to be admitted to the school. The fact that it looks like he will receive a scholarship should mean that at least one PMS thinks he has a good shot.

Hey...your on a roll now, we expect to hear good news soon.

 

[bjkuds]

There is a sense of confusion regarding the budget...DOD is one thing and federal budget is another.

Bullet works at the Pentagon in the AF sector, but is employed by the fed. not the DOD. He is already joking that he may be not going to work next Friday. The AD officers who work side by side with him in his office as his counterparts are not even thinking this will impact them.
Hubby works at a Super Max Federal Prison in personnel....they are talking about furloughs too..(memories of 1996).He thinks everybody should just lock up and go home, but the Warden said No

 

[patentesq]

Why you would let your DS apply to so many obscene schools? Couldn't you find any with some moral framework?

Casting your net broadly is the only way I know of to hedge against the risk of losing. I once had a patent infringement case between two major computer companies (I was representing Texas Instruments), with a couple billion dollars at stake. Within a week, we had 8 lawsuits going in the United States, 4 in Europe, and 3 in Asia. I figured at least one of these cases would stick because the stakes were very high -- turned out, unfortunately for my opponent, that they ALL did!! That's just my modus operandi (actually learned the "Stormin' Norman" approach in the military!!)

The other thing I told my DS last summer was "reach for the stars, Dear [DS], and if you happen to grab the moon, that ain't half bad!"

 

[bjkuds]

Someone previously posted that they thought this round was all 4 year offers...and the next round will be 3 year offers which is what I suspect DD is headed for if any. Has anyone been told that they received a 3 year offer this round?..just curious.

 

[patentesq]

. . . . the PMS told us that one of the deciding factors of whether he put a yes next to an applicants name was whether he felt the applicant had a reasonable chance to be admitted to the school.

My DS was told exactly the same thing about two months ago!!

 

[jlar316]

My status changed!! don't lose hopee everybody, the changes are still coming

Congrats! I'm hoping mine does too! I won't stop checking till clarksonarmy gives the final word.

 

[paradoxer]

What's the spread?

Casting your net broadly is the only way I know of to hedge against the risk of losing. I once had a patent infringement case between two major computer companies (I was representing Texas Instruments), with a couple billion dollars at stake. Within a week, we had 8 lawsuits going in the United States, 4 in Europe, and 3 in Asia. I figured at least one of these cases would stick because the stakes were very high -- turned out, unfortunately for my opponent, that they ALL did!! That's just my modus operandi (actually learned the "Stormin' Norman" approach in the military!!)

The other thing I told my DS last summer was "reach for the stars, Dear [DS], and if you happen to grab the moon, that ain't half bad!"

Another way to look at this would be the cost spread between the schools. In your case even if they are all high this would be a good thing as the spread is minimal. However, for those that have a spread of $30,000 this could "force" the decision by CC. So I think once again you did the smart thing because there is no lower cost school as part of the equation and thus no reason to reduce the number of school options based on school cost.

 

[patentesq]

Back on point. Just realize that the federal govt is not = to DOD. Federal employees are not military employees. They may work on military projects, but their 1040 employer ID is not the same as the O1 in the ARMY

Pima alludes to an important point. In the event of a government shutdown, the active duty folks will still be working (and hence there should still be a March 8 board, but the PMSs will have to deal with the paperwork themselves and not rely on their civilian staff). The DoD folks will be told to go home, which means no more fixing DoDMERB website, no more updating the AROTC website, etc. So if any of you have any unfinished business involving a DoD civilian (e.g., switching schools or DoDMERB stuff), you should definitely try to wrap that up by next Friday just in case.