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They entrapped General Flynn. Of course this issue of the General disobeying the chain of command and he gets a day of uncomfortable partisan bickering.
Mr. Flynn pleaded guilty twice - don’t even believe it was a no contest plea - part of pleading guilty is a full confession in front of a judge who has to determine if the plea is fully understood and provident. So not understanding how politics played into that…he could of chosen to plea not guilty or, potentially, no contest. That’s not what he did.

CJCS testified, under oath, that he was directed by the chain of command to make contact with his counterpart, in order to reduce tensions and informed various external officials that he was doing so. Also, undermining the chain of command in the press or other mediums of large audiences can be considered aggravated. Arguendo, assuming CJCS did undermine the chain of command, it was done behind closed doors, not publicly.

I’d be interested to hearing the rationale/discussion for allowing MOCs to testify in this court martial as witnesses.
 
Mr. Flynn pleaded guilty twice - don’t even believe it was a no contest plea - part of pleading guilty is a full confession in front of a judge who has to determine if the plea is fully understood and provident. So not understanding how politics played into that…he could of chosen to plea not guilty or, potentially, no contest. That’s not what he did.

CJCS testified, under oath, that he was directed by the chain of command to make contact with his counterpart, in order to reduce tensions and informed various external officials that he was doing so. Also, undermining the chain of command in the press or other mediums of large audiences can be considered aggravated. Arguendo, assuming CJCS did undermine the chain of command, it was done behind closed doors, not publicly.

I’d be interested to hearing the rationale/discussion for allowing MOCs to testify in this court martial as witnesses.
I’m no fan of Flynn, but he was put in a bind. The FBI agents who actually interviewed him did not feel he was lying to them, just inconsistent with some of his answers. He messed up and was trusting. He should have used that time honored response of “I can’t recall”.
In order to pressure Flynn into pleading, however, the DOJ indicted his son on pretty flimsy charges. Defending yourself against Federal prosecution is very, very expensive and probably would have financially ruined Flynn’s son, even if he was ultimately successful. Most likely seven figures.
Flynn did what any father would probably do and cut a deal to protect his son. Even if the government accused me of being the gunman on the grassy knoll before I was born I would probably plead guilty to it in order to protect my son.

 
I’m no fan of Flynn, but he was put in a bind. The FBI agents who actually interviewed him did not feel he was lying to them, just inconsistent with some of his answers. He messed up and was trusting. He should have used that time honored response of “I can’t recall”.
In order to pressure Flynn into pleading, however, the DOJ indicted his son on pretty flimsy charges. Defending yourself against Federal prosecution is very, very expensive and probably would have financially ruined Flynn’s son, even if he was ultimately successful. Most likely seven figures.
Flynn did what any father would probably do and cut a deal to protect his son. Even if the government accused me of being the gunman on the grassy knoll before I was born I would probably plead guilty to it in order to protect my son.

Flynn was given bad legal advice by swamp lawyers who he should never have trusted.

The judge refused to accept dismissal. That was odd - especially considering the Brady material.

Compare and contrast Hunter’s crimes. All documented on a laptop. It wasn’t Russian disinformation like the media and retired “intelligence” said.
 
CJCS testified, under oath, that he was directed by the chain of command to make contact with his counterpart, in order to reduce tensions and informed various external officials that he was doing so. Also, undermining the chain of command in the press or other mediums of large audiences can be considered aggravated. Arguendo, assuming CJCS did undermine the chain of command, it was done behind closed doors, not publicly.
"He" being Gen. Milley.

Crickets
 
Flynn lost me when he admitted, unless he was lying to the court to save his son, that he lobbied for and took $ from the Turkish Government while serving as Candidate Trump's principal foreign policy spokesman and while serving in President-Elect Trump's transition as the shadow/future National Security Advisor.

I'm anxious to read the explanation for his QANON loyalties.

No pay wall:

From the Wall Street Journal--Dec 1, 2017

WASHINGTON—Former national security adviser Mike Flynn revealed Friday that private consulting work he undertook while advising Donald Trump’s presidential campaign was directed and supervised by Turkish government officials, something people involved in the project have denied for months.

The revelation came as part of Mr. Flynn’s agreement to plead guilty to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his talks with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. As part of a deal for leniency, Mr. Flynn agreed to cooperate with the special counsel’s deepening investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Along with admitting he lied to the FBI, Mr. Flynn acknowledged in court papers unsealed Friday that the Turkish government “provided supervision and direction over” a $530,000 consulting contract he had with a Turkish businessman last year.

For months, those involved in the effort denied the Turkish government played any role in hiring Mr. Flynn to promote Ankara’s interests in the U.S. by attacking the government’s main nemesis: a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. whom Turkey has accused of trying to overthrow President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.




Mr. Flynn didn’t publicly detail his consulting work until March, when he filed paperwork with the Justice Department about his work for Turkish interests. At the time, Mr. Flynn’s attorney and Ekim Alptekin, the Turkish businessman who signed the contract, denied that the Turkish government financed the project.
On Friday, Mr. Flynn admitted that Turkey played a much more significant role in overseeing the project than previously admitted.
There is no indication in the plea agreement that others in the Trump administration were aware of the arrangement with Turkey. It appears that prosecutors uncovered omissions about the Turkey contract in Mr. Flynn’s disclosure papers and then used them as part of the leverage to get him to cooperate in the continuing Russia investigation.

While Mr. Flynn admitted in documents released Friday to making “materially false statements and omissions” in forms filed with the federal government about the work for Turkey, he doesn’t face charges on the matter.
Mr. Alptekin has repeatedly denied that the Turkish government was behind the project. He didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment on Friday, but a representative said Mr. Alptekin stands by his denials.
“He’s pretty blown away” by Mr. Flynn’s statements on Turkey, the person said.
Turkish government officials didn’t respond to requests for comment.
While working on the Trump presidential campaign last year, Mr. Flynn’s consulting firm embarked on a project aimed at discrediting Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric. The Turkish government has pressed the U.S. to extradite Mr. Gulen to face terrorism charges in Turkey.
As part of that effort, Mr. Flynn wrote an opinion piece that appeared in The Hill newspaper and online on Election Day calling for Mr. Gulen’s extradition. The Flynn Intel Group also hired consultants, freelance journalists and public-relations firms to create a “60 Minutes”-style piece attacking Mr. Gulen. The film was never completed, and Mr. Flynn shelved the work before being named Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser.
In the fall of 2016, Mr. Flynn also met with top Turkish officials in New York to discuss the prospect of spiriting Mr. Gulen out of the U.S. to Turkey, according to people familiar with the meetings. Mr. Flynn and the Turkish government have denied ever having any such discussions. Those allegations have been a focus of the special counsel’s investigation, according to people familiar with the issue, but they weren’t addressed by prosecutors on Friday.
Mr. Flynn’s work for Turkey has been overshadowed by the special counsel’s focus on his contacts with Russian government officials. But the Turkey project could create more legal problems for Mr. Flynn and the Turkish government, which has tried to establish a new, cooperative relationship with the Trump administration.
 
I realize that we are talking about vaccine in the salad dressing guy here, so we can't have too high expectations of his sanity let alone his legal savvy but I find this idea that he was just given bad advice by everyone and didn't know what he was doing line really unlikely. Are you really going to plead guilty to something you know you didn't do with these kinds of consequences in play and without making any kind of attempt to play this system, lean on your powerful friends see what kind of case you are facing, how bad can your legal advice have been to make that seem like a good idea. Seems to me that either he is guilty and if so how on earth did he become a national security advisor or he is an idiot in which case how on earth did he become a national security advisor.
 
If I had a FiBi knock and say they'd like to talk I'd laugh and close the door.
LOL Until they show me the warrant. He was of course on the transition team at the White House - and not offered an attorney. The agents interviewing him said he didn’t lie. His lawyers didn’t do their jobs and got him to plead after they threatened to go after his son.. Never mind the Brady material.

The only way I would plead guilty is if they threatened to harass my children.

I wish the FBI would talk to Hunter. The FBI talked to Hillary - let material witnesses sit in on the interview - and granted those witnesses immunity. They certainly had involvement on 1/6, planning the Whitmer kidnapping, the russian hoax involvement. That is the difference in treatment. General Flynn deserved better.
 
Flynn lost me when he admitted, unless he was lying to the court to save his son, that he lobbied for and took $ from the Turkish Government while serving as Candidate Trump's principal foreign policy spokesman and while serving in President-Elect Trump's transition as the shadow/future National Security Advisor.

I'm anxious to read the explanation for his QANON loyalties.

No pay wall:

From the Wall Street Journal--Dec 1, 2017

WASHINGTON—Former national security adviser Mike Flynn revealed Friday that private consulting work he undertook while advising Donald Trump’s presidential campaign was directed and supervised by Turkish government officials, something people involved in the project have denied for months.

The revelation came as part of Mr. Flynn’s agreement to plead guilty to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his talks with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. As part of a deal for leniency, Mr. Flynn agreed to cooperate with the special counsel’s deepening investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Along with admitting he lied to the FBI, Mr. Flynn acknowledged in court papers unsealed Friday that the Turkish government “provided supervision and direction over” a $530,000 consulting contract he had with a Turkish businessman last year.

For months, those involved in the effort denied the Turkish government played any role in hiring Mr. Flynn to promote Ankara’s interests in the U.S. by attacking the government’s main nemesis: a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. whom Turkey has accused of trying to overthrow President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.




Mr. Flynn didn’t publicly detail his consulting work until March, when he filed paperwork with the Justice Department about his work for Turkish interests. At the time, Mr. Flynn’s attorney and Ekim Alptekin, the Turkish businessman who signed the contract, denied that the Turkish government financed the project.
On Friday, Mr. Flynn admitted that Turkey played a much more significant role in overseeing the project than previously admitted.
There is no indication in the plea agreement that others in the Trump administration were aware of the arrangement with Turkey. It appears that prosecutors uncovered omissions about the Turkey contract in Mr. Flynn’s disclosure papers and then used them as part of the leverage to get him to cooperate in the continuing Russia investigation.

While Mr. Flynn admitted in documents released Friday to making “materially false statements and omissions” in forms filed with the federal government about the work for Turkey, he doesn’t face charges on the matter.
Mr. Alptekin has repeatedly denied that the Turkish government was behind the project. He didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment on Friday, but a representative said Mr. Alptekin stands by his denials.
“He’s pretty blown away” by Mr. Flynn’s statements on Turkey, the person said.
Turkish government officials didn’t respond to requests for comment.
While working on the Trump presidential campaign last year, Mr. Flynn’s consulting firm embarked on a project aimed at discrediting Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric. The Turkish government has pressed the U.S. to extradite Mr. Gulen to face terrorism charges in Turkey.
As part of that effort, Mr. Flynn wrote an opinion piece that appeared in The Hill newspaper and online on Election Day calling for Mr. Gulen’s extradition. The Flynn Intel Group also hired consultants, freelance journalists and public-relations firms to create a “60 Minutes”-style piece attacking Mr. Gulen. The film was never completed, and Mr. Flynn shelved the work before being named Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser.
In the fall of 2016, Mr. Flynn also met with top Turkish officials in New York to discuss the prospect of spiriting Mr. Gulen out of the U.S. to Turkey, according to people familiar with the meetings. Mr. Flynn and the Turkish government have denied ever having any such discussions. Those allegations have been a focus of the special counsel’s investigation, according to people familiar with the issue, but they weren’t addressed by prosecutors on Friday.
Mr. Flynn’s work for Turkey has been overshadowed by the special counsel’s focus on his contacts with Russian government officials. But the Turkey project could create more legal problems for Mr. Flynn and the Turkish government, which has tried to establish a new, cooperative relationship with the Trump administration.
Flynn was not even charged with illegal lobbying, but it was made part of the plea agreement to save his son from prosecution.
Facing the wrath of the federal government is very, very expensive. They have a deep wallet. As I pointed out, even a successful defense would have cost Flynn’s son seven figures easy. It would have financially ruined him, if not worse. As a father I would probably plead guilty to anything to save one of my children from the wrath of people in the federal government.
Funny, Flynn is forced to plea to illegal lobbying he isn’t even charged with and wasn’t aware was occurring while others set up “foundations” and get away with using their government influence to raise foreign cash. Okay. Seems like blind justice.🙄
QUANON has absolutely nothing to do with his legal situation. Different topic all together.
 
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