Mayor Bill de Blasio calls it ‘inappropriate’ Planned 9/11 military flyover

NorwichDad

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Mayor Bill de Blasio -Worse mayor of any city since Nero. He is not worried at all about the 15,000 vacant apartments in NYC or the tens of businesses that have closed for good. He ignores the surge of crime to 1970s levels. He does has to chime in on this.

As a person who lost one quarter of my coworkers on 9/11, I always appreciated the military flyovers in the days after 9/11. Fighters would slowly roll back and forth over the Hudson in those days. I always felt a boost emotionally as if the pilots were letting us know it was ok, we have your back. It was a scary time just to go to work. I would always say a prayer for them to keep them safe because I knew they would be in danger soon.


https://www.nj.com/news/2020/09/pla...or-bill-de-blasio-calls-it-inappropriate.html
 

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Nothing about De Blasio surprises me.

I am surprised by size and composition of the Amen Chorus.
 
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While many survivors and family of 911 might have fond memories of the military fly overs in the days after, I would imagine seeing planes in the air over NYC doesn't have the same meaning for everyone. Considering it was planes, flying over the city, that flew into the Twin Towers, I can understand how for many people a fly over would not be the patriotic experience that it might be on any other day, or any other location.
 

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Civilians don't all "get" how a flyover is meant to honor something or someone - and there are more civilians than not - so this response isn't surprising to me.

It's too bad, because the smaller cross section of the population (as @NorwichDad put it) "always felt a boost emotionally as if the pilots were letting us know it was ok, we have your back."
 

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This thing is just driven by certain people who actually dislike the military. It has nothing to do with Planes flying over. If you live anywhere in the NYC Metro Area in normal times there are so many planes in the sky. JFK, LaGuardia and Newark not to mention dozens of smaller airports. Ever watch a Mets game(if you can stomach it) there is constant noise from planes taking off from nearby LaGuardia Airport. This orchestrated whining is a little deeper than worrying about the families.
 

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This thing is just driven by certain people who actually dislike the military. It has nothing to do with Planes flying over. If you live anywhere in the NYC Metro Area in normal times there are so many planes in the sky. JFK, LaGuardia and Newark not to mention dozens of smaller airports. Ever watch a Mets game(if you can stomach it) there is constant noise from planes taking off from nearby LaGuardia Airport. This orchestrated whining is a little deeper than worrying about the families.
Actually one of the most striking things about the immediate aftermath of 9/11 was the absolute absence of air traffic, especially in the NYC area. From my office in Northern NJ you can usually see many aircraft at a time due to the close proximity of Newark, Teterboro, and Linden airports as well as two smaller private airports within five miles plus the extended patterns for JFK and Laguardia. In the days after 9/11, we could go hours at a time without a plane in sight and whenever the Combat Air Patrols were seen, it was comforting to many.
 

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No kidding. It was creepy not seeing contrails in the sky. I thought at the time that this was a perfect moment to go out West to film a Western.

My favorite shot with contrails was in this still from Spartacus in 1959:
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Mayor Bill de Blasio -Worse mayor of any city since Nero. He is not worried at all about the 15,000 vacant apartments in NYC or the tens of businesses that have closed for good. He ignores the surge of crime to 1970s levels. He does has to chime in on this.

As a person who lost one quarter of my coworkers on 9/11, I always appreciated the military flyovers in the days after 9/11. Fighters would slowly roll back and forth over the Hudson in those days. I always felt a boost emotionally as if the pilots were letting us know it was ok, we have your back. It was a scary time just to go to work. I would always say a prayer for them to keep them safe because I knew they would be in danger soon.


https://www.nj.com/news/2020/09/pla...or-bill-de-blasio-calls-it-inappropriate.html
While crime may be up in New York City compared to last year (2019) it is nowhere near the levels of the 1970s-early 1990s. Not even close.


"NYPD statistics show a dramatic increase in homicides and shootings in the first six months of 2020 compared to the same period of time last year. According to the NYPD, 178 homicides were reported in New York City so far this year. The statistics include information through June 30. This is a 21 percent increase from the number homicides reported during the same time last year when the city saw 147 homicides."


"Murders rose in 2019 for the first time in three years, yet they are still extremely low compared with past eras, and reports of other violent crimes crept up only slightly or declined."

"Overall the index of seven major crimes dropped slightly — by less than 1 percent — and violent crime remained at a historic low, especially compared to the peak of 30 years ago. In 1990, for instance, 2,262 people were killed in New York City."

Even if the number of murders in NYC double from 2019-to-2020 (i.e 300-600; most unlikely) they will still be below the number of murders that occured in the Big Apple in 1964. Hardly an era of total chaos. Nobody was calling Mayor Robert Wagner the worst mayor since Nero (whom wasn't actually a mayor but an emperor.)


New York City real estate values are hardly collapsing. Wall Street (driving force behind NYC economy) is resilient. Subways are safer in 2020 (even with Covid) than they were in 1977. Smart money is buying property in New York right now.

Mayor de Blasio is certainly a liberal and a political opponent of President Trump. Let's not create images of New York City as a lawless wasteland of streets filled with dead bodies rotting just because we disagree with his politics.

If we're going to play politics with this issue let's compare Jacksonville, FL (republican mayor) to New York City (democratic mayor):

NYC - 8 million people - 300 murders in 2019
Jax - 1 million people - 158 murders in 2019

 

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This thing is just driven by certain people who actually dislike the military. It has nothing to do with Planes flying over. If you live anywhere in the NYC Metro Area in normal times there are so many planes in the sky. JFK, LaGuardia and Newark not to mention dozens of smaller airports. Ever watch a Mets game(if you can stomach it) there is constant noise from planes taking off from nearby LaGuardia Airport. This orchestrated whining is a little deeper than worrying about the families.
Hey as a Red Sox fan I'd gladly trade my team's record with that of the Mets.

Mets are only a couple of games (as of today) from reaching a playoff spot.

Mets (21-25) aren't much worse than the Bronx Bombers (25-21), whom started so good 7 weeks ago with a monstrously high payroll.

Home runs are flying. Alonso (11), Conforto (9), Smith (8), Canoe (7), etc. Mets are 8th out of 30 in team home runs & 1st in team batting average.
 

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I remember the lack of air traffic the days following the 9/11 attacks. It lasted for days. I was reminded of it in the beginning of this current pandemic. There was no air traffic near me for weeks at a time, it seemed.
 

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Being about 60/70 miles from JFK and LGA I remember the clear skies after 9/11. I was at a soccer practice with my son days later when contrails could be seen again on approach to NYC.
 

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I also remember that beautiful clear blue sky driving in to work with the radio on. Then they broke in. I made it inside and turned on the TV in the break room and saw the second plane hit. I told our secretary we are at war with someone. Then the camera at the White House turned to the southwest and a plume of smoke. I said to her that is the Pentagon. You will always remember the day JFK was shot and the World Trade Center. I don't need any more of those days.
 

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I had high hopes for de Blasio initially. But he lost me early on when he allowed the city to sell a valuable empty nursing home at a bargain price to a campaign contributor.

I can't blame the rising apartment vacancy rate on him though. Most of the losses have occurred in densely developed Manhattan; the other boroughs have suffered much less. When people's offices shut down and required them to work from home, there was no compelling reason to stay in the city and pay exorbitant rents. My niece and her husband did stay, but because of delicate health and fear of the virus refused to ride the elevator in their high rise. Instead they walked up and down the stairs to their 14th floor apartment. Now they have thighs as hard as Steve King's skull.
 
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