NROTC Chances

If you wait 6 months to take the PFT, you will not meet a board until @ January. That would be considered late for NROTC boards. The 1st one will meet in @ 2-3 months time frame.

As it has been stated competitive dets can fill up faster than non-competitive dets.

You will also need to have an interview for the ROTC scholarship. I would start on it now. Many kids will have their files done, ready for submission in two or three weeks, just waiting for the interview.
~~~~ Yes, you read it right. 2 or 3 weeks from now they will be complete, and ready to meet the 1st board in 6-9 weeks.

Six months from now to meet your 1st board can mean much more competition because scholarships will already be handed out for @ 3 months. There is a limited pot of money. The longer you wait, the less money in the pot.

Congrats on getting 85% off tuition from Nova. I am sure many people would love to be in your position right now.
 
^ NROTC does not have a PFT component in the application.

OP, what about your teacher recs? those tend to be difficult to tie down in the middle of summer when teachers are on vacation.
 
dunninla said:
^ NROTC does not have a PFT component in the application.
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DS (he is NROTC) had first "trial" PRT at New Student Orientation (NSO) right before school started, had a 2nd trial run early in the semester and the official one in November. The baseline PRTs determine if MIDNs have to do additional mornings of PT. OP probably has until August of next year, right before she starts her 1st year of college, to get ready for the PRT.

Word of warning, to reinterate what Pima said: form for push-ups is critical. DS learned that the hard way at NSO. Hasn't had a problem since then though!

...and yes, his tuition, books and stipend were paid before the official PRT, actually early September.
 
Curiosity question.

Are you saying that they don't have to pass the PFT to contract? I know they have a drop dead date, as jiller stated sometime in Nov/Dec. I just didn't know they could contract without passing. For our DS in AFROTC the 1st official PFT was @ 1 week into the semester. Pass, and you contracted a few days later. Bust, and you got a 2nd shot, than the final in Nov/Dec., but no contracting = nothing. They will back pay them when they do. College bursar's office will have it on their account as a credit, but will not apply the funds until they contract.

Interesting to see the finesse areas for each branch regarding how they pay out.

Just to explain a little more why it is important to do the correct form

1. That 1st week when you are doing PT they will scream out your last name in a bad way.
~~~~ I.E. our DS was a PT flight leader. His job was to watch their form. He also was the guy running in the back of the pack to push them faster....screaming their last name all the time until they were no longer the last one running.

2. If the form is incorrect, you are wasting energy and time.
~~~~ IOTW bad form means for every 2 or 3 you do maybe 1 or 2 will be counted, probably a lower score.

3. It is a 1st impression among your peers and the cadre.
~~~~ Showing up and falling out of a run is not a good 1st impression. Hence, why you should train in all types of weather. They plan this ahead of time, if it is drizzling, sleeting, 100 degrees they are still going to do it.

I also suggested throwing in butterfly kicks because it will most likely be a part of PT. It will use different muscles than just a traditional sit up. Our DS would do the PFT regiment even when he was at home for breaks. He would include other things like side push ups along with butterfly kicks and the test. He always tried for less than a 7 min. mile. As a woman, they have different standards, be cognizant of those scores. You don't want to be on the min. end.

Finally, JMPO for the OP. You have stated until recently that you like to go to bed by 8 p.m. I would start stretching that time out to 11. Dorms on a whole are not quiet. Noise travels more than you think. Your roommate might be considerate of you having to get up at 5 for PT at 6, but your neighbors on the hall won't be.

This ties back to training for the PFT. Lack of sleep will also impact your scores.

More curiosity questions:

If not selected for an HSSP, and enter NROTC, will the PFT scores be part of the selection process for ISCP? If so, how much does it account for regarding their score. AFROTC for boards it is a nice chunk. I believe it is 15%. A low score typically is @94 out of 100.

Does require them to pass the PFT every semester to be contracted? Or is it 1x a yr?

How does the PFT play into the OML for career field assignment boards? Again, for AFROTC for their assignments it is part of their OML.

PFT is always in their life throughout ROTC.
 
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Pima said:
Curiosity question.

Are you saying that they don't have to pass the PFT to contract? I know they have a drop dead date, as jiller stated sometime in Nov/Dec. I just didn't know they could contract without passing.

Just to explain a little more why it is important to do the correct form

1. That 1st week when you are doing PT they will scream out your last name in a bad way.
~~~~ I.E. our DS was a PT flight leader. His job was to watch their form. He also was the guy running in the back of the pack to push them faster....screaming their last name all the time until they were no longer the last one running.

2. If the form is incorrect, you are wasting energy and time.
~~~~ IOTW bad form means for every 2 or 3 you do maybe 1 or 2 will be counted, probably a lower score.

3. It is a 1st impression among your peers and the cadre.
~~~~ Showing up and falling out of a run is not a good 1st impression. Hence, why you should train in all types of weather. They plan this ahead of time, if it is drizzling, sleeting, 100 degrees they are still going to do it.

I also suggested throwing in butterfly kicks because it will most likely be a part of PT. It will use different muscles than just a traditional sit up. Our DS would do the PFT regiment even when he was at home for breaks. He would include other things like side push ups along with butterfly kicks and the test. He always tried for less than a 7 min. mile. As a woman, they have different standards, be cognizant of those scores. You don't want to be on the min. end.

Finally, JMPO for the OP. You have stated until recently that you like to go to bed by 8 p.m. I would start stretching that time out to 11. Dorms on a whole are not quiet. Noise travels more than you think. Your roommate might be considerate of you having to get up at 5 for PT at 6, but your neighbors on the hall won't be.

This ties back to training for the PFT. Lack of sleep will also impact your scores.

More curiosity questions:

If not selected for an HSSP, and enter NROTC, will the PFT scores be part of the selection process for ISCP? If so, how much does it account for regarding their score. AFROTC for boards it is a nice chunk. I believe it is 15%. A low score typically is @94 out of 100.

Does require them to pass the PFT every semester to be contracted? Or is it 1x a yr?

How does the PFT play into the OML for career field assignment boards? Again, for AFROTC for their assignments it is part of their OML.

PFT is always in their life throughout ROTC.
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I certainly can't answer all your questions but will speak to what I can. First, of course, one must pass the PFT in order to be able to contract. Independent of that there is an official PFT score entered in the books each semester, and that PFT test is given late in the semester. I do not know if they need to pass it each semester to remain contracted but I would expect so.

Finally, I don't know how the PFT score plays into career field assignment boards, but I have no doubt it varies with Navy, Nurse (obviously) and Marines. Marines don't even get their career field assignment until late in the Basic School, so that's almost 6 months after they report for AD. I doubt the PFT scores in college carry much weight at that point. They have a lot more data to fall back on by then, including their OCS performance. College PFT scores probably play a bigger role in Navy career assignment.
 
Pima said:
Interesting to see the finesse areas for each branch regarding how they pay out.

Just to explain a little more why it is important to do the correct form

1. That 1st week when you are doing PT they will scream out your last name in a bad way.
~~~~ I.E. our DS was a PT flight leader. His job was to watch their form. He also was the guy running in the back of the pack to push them faster....screaming their last name all the time until they were no longer the last one running.
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Curiousity question here as well -

Is this considered "normal" for AFROTC and NROTC? In my years (going on 7) of involvement with AROTC, I've never seen anyone "screaming" at cadets during PT. Corrections are made, certainly, but screaming would be an indication of poor leadership and a lack of military bearing. At the battalions I'm familiar with, Army ROTC cadets are never treated like privates at basic training, even during orientation. Very different climate for sure.
 
Clarification regarding screaming.

Our DS's det had 100 freshman (C100), 70+ 200/250's, 60 300/400s. You basically have to scream to be heard. I didn't mean to imply anything else.

I.E 200 cadets running, and some do a 5:30 min mile, and others do an 8 min. they are screaming their last name to pick it up.

I am laughing because AF is known to be probably the least lax when it comes to PT in the ADAF world.

~~~~ PT is a round of golf with no golf cart.

AF is considered to be the corporate branch in the military.

My curiosity for AROTC is how much does the PFA/PFT account for regarding OML?

What chances of top pick, be it AD, Guard, Reserves if you have a low PFT? What is a low score?
 
What qualifies as a "low" score is a bit unit dependent. 180 is passing, but at some units, anything under 240 (80 per event) or 270 (90 per event) is enough to qualify for remedial PT.

For FY '14, 15% of a cadet's OML score comes from physical, of which 90% is PT score - the balance is athletics. Each PT on campus during the MSIII year is worth 3.5, and the LDAC test is worth 6.5.

So, a 300 PT test x 3 nets you the full 13.5 points. Just passing (180) would lose you very roughly 8 OML points. If you're on the bubble, that is more than enough to make the difference in branch selection or active duty vs. reserves.

And DSs unit total (freshman - senior) is probably 40 cadets. Big difference!
 
kinnem said:
I certainly can't answer all your questions but will speak to what I can. First, of course, one must pass the PFT in order to be able to contract. Independent of that there is an official PFT score entered in the books each semester, and that PFT test is given late in the semester. I do not know if they need to pass it each semester to remain contracted but I would expect so.
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kinnem - do you know if "contracting" actually occurs when they show up for first day of sophmore (3/C) year? Last August DS had to sign papers, give oath and do PRT and has received tuition, book money and stipend, but could change his mind, owing nothing, before he shows up for class in September. This leads me to believe this is when they "contract".

I'm not sure what happens if MIDN doesn't pass PRT; fortunately not dealing with THAT!
 
jiller59 said:
kinnem - do you know if "contracting" actually occurs when they show up for first day of sophmore (3/C) year? Last August DS had to sign papers, give oath and do PRT and has received tuition, book money and stipend, but could change his mind, owing nothing, before he shows up for class in September. This leads me to believe this is when they "contract".

I'm not sure what happens if MIDN doesn't pass PRT; fortunately not dealing with THAT!
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Good question to which I do not really know the answer. However, my own surmise would be that he is already contracted and one of the contract clauses is that he can drop freshman year with no consequences.
 
kinnem said:
Good question to which I do not really know the answer. However, my own surmise would be that he is already contracted and one of the contract clauses is that he can drop freshman year with no consequences.
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Agree with kinnem. Contract has been signed but carries an out clause. The moment they step on campus and begin Sophomore year, the clause expires and the contract carries obligations.
 
Yep, here is that clause from the NROTC Scholarship Service Agreement:

"If I do not complete the NROTC Program, or if I complete the program but decline to accept a commission when offered, I may be ordered to active duty by the Secretary of the Navy to serve in an enlisted status for four (4) years or more, or for such lesser period as the Secretary may prescribe, or reimburse the government for any advanced educational assistance I received under this AGREEMENT. I understand this provision becomes binding on me upon entry into the second year of naval science" (emphasis mine).

I do still wonder if all NROTC scholarship MIDNs received their benefits right away in September. I can only speak for DS experience. Benefits started in September, official PRT in November.

Oh, and sorry that I assisted with the hijacking of this thread:shake:
 
jiller59 said:
I do still wonder if all NROTC scholarship MIDNs received their benefits right away in September. I can only speak for DS experience. Benefits started in September, official PRT in November.
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Jiller, all incoming midshipman have to pass that first physical fitness test prior to earning the benefits of the scholarship. Passing the test "turns on" the benefits. The official test held later in the semester becomes the score recorded for the student. If a student failed the initial test, they would not receive benefits until they pass. If they fail the second, they would be placed on some type of remedial program to get their fitness to a minimum level.
 
USMCGrunt said:
Jiller, all incoming midshipman have to pass that first physical fitness test prior to earning the benefits of the scholarship. Passing the test "turns on" the benefits. The official test held later in the semester becomes the score recorded for the student. If a student failed the initial test, they would not receive benefits until they pass. If they fail the second, they would be placed on some type of remedial program to get their fitness to a minimum level.
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So, this is looking like how AROTC scholarship policies are run?
 
It also sounds like AFROTC too. 1st test is given right away, pass it and you contract. DS always contracted the 1st test.

I am curious, I wonder what is considered a bust for NROTC. Is it a total score, or is it bust one portion and you bust the entire PFT? I.E max running, bust sit ups....is it over?

For the OP, this is also a reason they want to see athletics in their profile. It is not just leadership and time management while maintaining a strong cgpa, but also because they know that they can't contract until they pass the PFT.

Said it before, but every yr on this site there are pages of posters discussing the 1st few weeks of school how many cadets/mids in their dets that bust the PFT.

It really should not be taken as it is just a little thing. It is a big thing. Think of it this way, you will have jobs in the unit, and most of the time there are more kids than jobs within the det. Do you think the CoC will give the best leadership jobs if they are barely meeting the mins on the PFT?

It is also important to say that at least for AFROTC, you will be required to take the PFT every semester. The process is repeated again in Jan., which is why it is important to train in all types of weather. Running in 25 degrees over ice patches will most likely slow down your time.

New curiosity question regarding chances. Do the CoC's have a voice in the process?

For example, the OP has Nova and UPenn on their list, are the dets just assigned the names of the recipients, or can they by name request to have or not have the applicant?

I know some CoC's have pull with admissions at the college, but don't know about if that is true with HQ NROTC.

I am guessing no because every yr kids get the scholarship to one college, but no regarding admission from the scholarship.

Also, I can't remember is NROTC like AROTC where they can have multiple colleges on their award letter, or is it just one, and than they have to wait until Apr/May to get it switched?
 
Pima said:
Also, I can't remember is NROTC like AROTC where they can have multiple colleges on their award letter, or is it just one, and than they have to wait until Apr/May to get it switched?
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NROTC candidates receive the scholarship at one specific school. They would have to go through the transfer process in order to request a change.
 
Pima said:
I am curious, I wonder what is considered a bust for NROTC. Is it a total score, or is it bust one portion and you bust the entire PFT? I.E max running, bust sit ups....is it over?
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Pima: The NROTC physical fitness test has 3 events. Each has a minimum performance standard and the entire test has a minimum score required. If you fail in any one event, you fail the test.
 
Pima said:
I am curious, I wonder what is considered a bust for NROTC. Is it a total score, or is it bust one portion and you bust the entire PFT? I.E max running, bust sit ups....is it over?
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Here is the verbiage from the Navy PRT Instructions and Scoring:

9. Grading PRT
a. PRT is passed when members achieve “Probationary”performance standard or better for
(1) curl-ups, push-ups, and one cardiorespiratory event(run/walk or swim), or
(2) any two PRT events (other than sit reach) when the third is medically waived.
b. Regardless of level of performance on other events, PRT is failed when members do not achieve “Probationary” performancestandard or better for any PRT event (other than sit reach) unless event is medically waived.

10. Overall Score
a. Overall score is performance category-level corresponding to the average of points accumulated on PRTevents. Members must pass all three PRT events to receive an overall score.
 
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