NROTC College Program - Physics and Calculus

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DS has been accepted to the college of his choice and plans to do NROTC either on scholarship or as a college programmer.

As of now he is torn between Navy and Marines. Question: How important is it for a Navy college programmer to take calculus and physics to gain advanced standing? To state it another way: Can advanced standing be obtained without taking calculus and physics? Or, is it an absolute requirement to take calculus and physics to gain advanced standing?
 
Marines don't care about physics and Calc. DS took Statistics.

If on Navy Scholarship Calculus and Physics is required. Not sure about college programmers, and then what happens when college programmers get advanced standing (if they can). Perhaps @Go Dores! will chime in.

I will add my DS has applied for a Masters program and some of the courses require at least an elementary mastery of Calculus... so I'm a little worried about his lack of that background.
 
My advice is to pick the branch in which he would prefer to serve and, if its the Navy, gut it out, take the calc. and physics and take advantage of all the tutoring he can get his hands on. He has enough intelligence to get through it.

The downside of Marines is crazy amount of PT. The downside of Navy is calc. and physics. I personally would rather struggle through calc. and physics. But the choice is his.
 
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Good luck to him during the process. When I read above that he was torn between NTOTC and NROTC-MO - Is he thinking about doing NROTC as a programmer?

As far as the calculus, physics and PT. My DS got the short end of the stick as an engineer - he gets to partake in all three in copious amounts!

Keep us posted on his progress, exciting times.
 
EEBTTF said:
Good luck to him during the process. When I read above that he was torn between NTOTC and NROTC-MO - Is he thinking about doing NROTC as a programmer?

As far as the calculus, physics and PT. My DS got the short end of the stick as an engineer - he gets to partake in all three in copious amounts!

Keep us posted on his progress, exciting times.
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Thanks. EEBTTF. At this point he will have to decide what is best for him. Fortunately, we have an in-state pre-paid tuition plan for DS so he will not be dependent on a NROTC or MO scholarship. He knows he wants to serve. That is what is important. He will figure it out.

The best thing for him, is that he got an early acceptance to the school that he wants to attend. That will take a load off his mind (and mine) and will allow him to focus on a busy senior year of NJROTC competitions, plus his other activities (one of which is running for Homecoming King) and his part time job.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Thanks. EEBTTF. At this point he will have to decide what is best for him. Fortunately, we have an in-state pre-paid tuition plan for DS so he will not be dependent on a NROTC or MO scholarship. He knows he wants to serve. That is what is important. He will figure it out.

The best thing for him, is that he got an early acceptance to the school that he wants to attend. That will take a load off his mind (and mine) and will allow him to focus on a busy senior year of NJROTC competitions, plus his other activities (one of which is running for Homecoming King) and his part time job.
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Great - sounds like things are falling in to place. Always good to have options as well.
 
I think this is covered above, but…
Nrotc - navy option national scholarship recipients must complete calculus by the end of the second year of naval science, and complete physics by the end of the third year of naval science. 2 semesters each.
Those who pick up navy scholarships for navy option also have to complete these requirements.

I believe nrotc nursing option scholarship recipients also have to complete the calc and physics but others may know for sure.

No calc or physics requirements for nrotc marine option, scholarship or not.

No calc or physics required for advanced standing if not on scholarship.

Last comment is for those with HD seniors your other suggested task is to bubble wrap them For n HS Sports and skiing et so they don’t get a medical DQ in their last seasons where possible. No black belt full contact tournaments, rugby club tourneys, axe catching quests Or other dangerous events.

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NJROTC-CC said:
My advice is to pick the branch in which he would prefer to serve and, if its the Navy, gut it out, take the calc. and physics and take advantage of all the tutoring he can get his hands on. He has enough intelligence to get through it.

The downside of Marines is crazy amount of PT. The downside of Navy is calc. and physics. I personally would rather struggle through calc. and physics. But the choice is his.
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You're giving him good advice. NROTC units typically offer tutoring specifically for Calculus and Physics. I'm confident he could "gut it out".

If the PT is seen as a downside of Marines then it may not be for him. PT is a career-long commitment for Marine Officers. DS always has trouble fitting enough in, but he does a lot of it by doing rock (wall) climbing and other activities that will hit the same muscles he might hit in the weight room. Of course he also jogs on the beach a lot in sunny southern California, where he lives just two blocks from the beach. In my own neighborhood, a 30 min drive south of LeJeune, I see many Marines consistently running to stay fit. One guy lives in the next neighborhood over, and given his age, I think he's a mean and lean Colonel. I never asked though.

BTW, in at least some units (and I expect many) if one scores high enough on PFTs after freshman year, you only need to report for unit PT once a week. You can do the rest on your own time.

Also, at least some (and I expect many) units have a daily "Breakfast Club" to PT during spring semester of junior year to prep for OCS. DS did it as a junior and then again as a senior because he was running it.
 
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2021 Adv Standing Board:
21 applicants / 21 selected. Of the 21 applicants, 1 was calculus complete, 1 was physics complete, 1 was complete with both (these are not exclusive categories. Quite likely it's one applicant who fits in 3 bins (calc/phys/both)).

2020 Adv Standing Board:
68 applicants / 67 were selected for advanced standing or provisional AS.
Of these 68 applicants - 14 had calc complete, 13 were selected.
Of these 68 applicants - 8 had phys complete, 7 were selected.
Of these 68 applicants - 8 had both calc/phys complete, 7 were selected.

2019 Adv Standing Board:
75 applicants / 72 were selected for advanced standing or provisional AS.
Of these 75 applicants - 16 had calc complete, 15 were selected.
Of these 75 applicants - 6 had phys complete, 6 were selected.
Of these 75 applicants - 6 had both calc/phys complete, 6 were selected.

High overall selection rate for advanced standing the past three years. Applicants w/o calc & phys did just fine.
 
While it's true your child might be able to pickup advanced standing without Phys/Calc, I would recommend it not be a barrier. Unless you have serious concerns they will fail, may as well take it and then try for the scholarship if they do not go to MC route and do the regular NROTC

All his peers will be taking these classes at the same time, in addition to the free tutoring offered by unit. everyone gets through it!
 
Go Dores! said:
2021 Adv Standing Board:
21 applicants / 21 selected. Of the 21 applicants, 1 was calculus complete, 1 was physics complete, 1 was complete with both (these are not exclusive categories. Quite likely it's one applicant who fits in 3 bins (calc/phys/both)).

2020 Adv Standing Board:
68 applicants / 67 were selected for advanced standing or provisional AS.
Of these 68 applicants - 14 had calc complete, 13 were selected.
Of these 68 applicants - 8 had phys complete, 7 were selected.
Of these 68 applicants - 8 had both calc/phys complete, 7 were selected.

2019 Adv Standing Board:
75 applicants / 72 were selected for advanced standing or provisional AS.
Of these 75 applicants - 16 had calc complete, 15 were selected.
Of these 75 applicants - 6 had phys complete, 6 were selected.
Of these 75 applicants - 6 had both calc/phys complete, 6 were selected.

High overall selection rate for advanced standing the past three years. Applicants w/o calc & phys did just fine.
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Thanks #Go Dores!

That is very re-assuring. Are those numbers total National applying for advanced standing? I would have thought that there would be more applying for advanced standing.
 
One more question: If a mid on scholarship has good grades in everything else, would it be acceptable to squeak by with low, but passing, grades in calc. and physics?
 
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NJROTC-CC said:
Thanks #Go Dores!

That is very re-assuring. Are those numbers total National applying for advanced standing? I would have thought that there would be more applying for advanced standing.
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Yes. National board.
 
Thanks #Go Dores!
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That is very re-assuring. Are those numbers total National applying for advanced standing? I would have thought that there would be more applying for advanced standing.
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Many Collage programmers will already have the side load scholarship by junior year. If you look at the stats provided for last year the ones who applied for advanced standing did not take Calc are physics and my guess is that was their choice
 
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Thanks #Go Dores!

Many Collage programmers will already have the side load scholarship by junior year. If you look at the stats provided for last year the ones who applied for advanced standing did not take Calc are physics and my guess is that was their choice
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Good point
 
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