Plan b college is angry

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  1. Capt MJ

    Capt MJ 5-Year Member

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    Absolutely.
     
  2. Cerberi

    Cerberi Banned

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    USAFA also used to ask for a deposit (arrangements were made if that was not considered affordable). I was actually surprised that USNA did not request any deposit due on I Day.

    As for the OP - what would the admissions counselor say to USMA and what outcome/result would they want from the call? The Honor Code did not apply when the deposit was sent (if they are heading down that path).

    Also, if he persists, asks him if he is knowledgable of the FERPA guidelines for post-secondary institutions and if he is aware of the penalties associated with violating FERPA guidelines.

    He will get over it and the school will survive without your cadet.
     
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  3. ktnatalk

    ktnatalk Sailor. Shipmate. Parent.

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    Thanks, Cerberi. I had no idea. It is truly fitting to say Go Navy, Beat Everyone else then! :rockon:
     
  4. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    The $3,000 deposit was 14 or 15 years ago. My understanding is that changed awhile ago though.
     
  5. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    Some schools are so great... People pay to go to them! Hahaha
     
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    ktnatalk Sailor. Shipmate. Parent.

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    LITS, no worries! The sea services got it right! :groupwave:
     
  7. parentalunit2

    parentalunit2 5-Year Member

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    The USMA deposit is to cover the up-front of uniforms, computer, etc. If a student cannot supply the $2,000 upon admission, they can work with the pay office and have this amount deducted from their cadet pay over time. Less in the pocket each month, but no, USMA does not require cash payment up front, as many simply do not have it.
     
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  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    I think our deposit was to cover the same things (including an Acer I road into the ground).
     
  9. AROTC-dad

    AROTC-dad Just a dad

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    For USMA, from page 6 of the admission catalog:

    Pay and Allowances
    As members of the U.S. Army, cadets receive room, board and more than $10,000 per year in pay. The cadet must pay for a notebook computer, uniforms, textbooks, and activity fees from this amount. Each cadet candidate is asked to make an initial deposit of $2,000 to help defray initial expenses.


    http://www.usma.edu/admissions/shared documents/wp_admissions-catalog_2013-14.pdf
     
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  10. MemberLG

    MemberLG 5-Year Member

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    No, I think the Plan B deposit is a better discussion as it is more gray than above mention behaviors. Determining right or wrong is simpler when the behavior is clearly illegal or against regulations, but determining right or wrong or good or bad is harder when the behavior is not clearly illegal or against regulations.

    Do we want our military leaders to make decisions based on a mentality of its okay to do it as long as it's not illegal or make decisions based on what is right thing to do.
     
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  11. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    We want leaders who think outside the box and take risks.
     
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    Yes. Perhaps not outside the box, rather increase the size of the box and take risks that are justified by likely benefits.
     
  13. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    That doesn't jive with what future officers are taught (however in reality, there's too much career fear to expand the box or work outside of it).

    The lack of thinking outside of the box has hurt the military, in the long run.
     
  14. MemberLG

    MemberLG 5-Year Member

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    I think in the military, it's better to expand the box than think outside the box. As if you think outside the box, you will end up going outside the box. Supposed to be a true story as it is supposed to on the Uoutube. SecDef Carter was taking question at West Point after a speech. A cadet asked something like when civilian companies are offering flex work schedule, telework, remote work, and etc, how is the DoD going to match that. Obviously, this cadet was thinking outside the box, but this cadet might has skipped few boxes
     
  15. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    But that cadet is correct. And the military has a growing problem that is much clearer when we're not in a recession.
     
  16. nigel

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    My DD started at USCGA in 2014 and there was no kind of deposit or fee. She was expected to pay for her uniforms, computer, textbooks, etc., and those funds were to be deducted from her monthly stipend. I don't think there was even an option to pay for those items up front.

    Nicole
     
  17. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 5-Year Member

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    I remember hearing it changed, but I wasn't sure when.

    Either way, $3,000 was a small price to pay for an education.
     
  18. bookreader

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    USMA requires a deposit of $2000 (This was the case last year. I don't know if it changed this year.) If a new cadet can't afford this, they will take it out of his pay so that cadet has less money each month.
     
  19. Humey

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    Old thread but very interesting. The issue of the morality of sending 2 or more deposits is interesting because morality doesn't come into play. The colleges have created a system that is supposed to benefit them. They have all agreed to work together in order to benefit themselves . Now we are supposed to play along with their rules and if go around them we aren't moral . The problem is that they are the only game in town and we are forced to play by their rules. The way i see it, they do what is right for them and I will do what is right for my children . Saying that since I agreed to their rules, I am obligated to follow it doesn't work for me as they have created a monopoly and they are setting up the rules
     
  20. MidwestDad

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    It's called a hedge, sophisticated investors use this strategy all the time. Cheap plan B insurance and no morality involved. You are not denying another student any opportunity at your plan B school, if anything you are making a donation to that school. Might impact dorm room roommate assignments but this happens all the time for other reasons, roomies are a crapshoot anyway.

    Having dealt with Public University for 4 years with older sibling my sympathy is quite low for their distress.

    Interesting economic game theory in any case.
     
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