Plebe at USMA

Hi,

Confused Mom seeking clarification on a few things. :)

1) What are APFU shorts?
2) What is a Leatherman?
3) Are there particular brands for socks that you liked the most?

Many thanks! Best wishes to you.
1)They are the standard PT shorts worn by soldiers
2)It's a multitool. Basically a swiss army knife
 
Assuming you're from Texas given your username, how bad has it been adjusting to the NY weather?
 
@texas05

We appreciate your input.

Another question, I know that during your summer, you're given tests to determine what level math, language, etc you should be in. I understand that depending on the test results, you can test out of some basic level classes.

What is better to (1) take challenging higher level classes and have a lower a GPA which lowers your class rank or (2) take lower level classes and do well which increases your GPA and class rank?
 
What is better to (1) take challenging higher level classes and have a lower a GPA which lowers your class rank or (2) take lower level classes and do well which increases your GPA and class rank?

I can answer that one: It's better to take higher-level classes and earn a high GPA. Why do people always assume a lower GPA for taking higher-level classes? Plenty of cadets rise to the challenge of those higher-level classes and do very well in them.
 
I can answer that one: It's better to take higher-level classes and earn a high GPA. Why do people always assume a lower GPA for taking higher-level classes? Plenty of cadets rise to the challenge of those higher-level classes and do very well in them.

I can give an example. My DS has taken Spanish for 4 years in high school. If he started basic level Spanish in college/SA, he can pretty much guarantee a high grade.

I know when you're in high school, you are told to take the most challenging classes such as AP and Honors classes. But in high school, the grades are weighted because they are difficult. But I'm pretty sure that at the SAs, grades are not weighted.

So during your plebe year, when it is stressful because of the new environment and when you're juggling so many different tasks, why not take more basic classes so you can ensure a GPA and higher class rank.

I understand that class rank determines whether you get leadership positions as a cadet, which summer activities you can pursue and ultimately which branch and post you will get assigned.

I don't want to start a flame-war about wimping out and not pushing yourself academically. I understand that viewpoint from a principle standpoint.

But when your class rank has so much influence on your future, it does make you think about which level courses one should take.
 
Are laptops allowed? My mom was planning to get one for me for graduation, but then we realized I might not even be able to take it!
 
Are laptops allowed? My mom was planning to get one for me for graduation, but then we realized I might not even be able to take it!
Don't get a laptop. West Point provides one, and the software is unique to WP. You will also either buy or be provided and charged for an iPad. Have your mom buy you lots of underwear for graduation. Lol. That is something you will want lots of.
 
@Padre101: I like how @LongAgoPlebe answered that one a while back:

Aircrew said:
Good Evening Everyone,

My question is: what benefit(s) does testing out of classes Plebe year give you? It the service assignment are based on grades wouldn't it make more sense to keep the standard classes and get better grades? Further increasing your chances to get the assignment you want? All answers would be greatly appreciated . Thanks!

Good idea in theory. In practice, it really doesn't happen this way. I see it all the time at my college (which is a lot like the SAs academically - very selective, rigorous, smaller number of majors and programs). Freshmen all take a math placement exam. They can opt to take the course below the one into which we place them. In fall 2014, 121 of 762 incoming freshmen did exactly that. Of those 121, 52 earned a C or below. Now, these are not slackers or students who need developmental math - they're choosing algebra instead of pre-calc or pre-calc instead of calc I. No, what's happening is simple human behavioral economics. "Whew, I'm in an easy math class! I aced this in high school! Now I have more time to devote to biology/ultimate frisbee/my boyfriend (etc.)" They don't do all the homework - because they already know this stuff, right? They don't study as hard for the exams. But this is college algebra, and college pre-calc, and so on. By the time they get the feedback on their first exam as a C or a D or an F, it's often too late to salvage a good course grade.

It comes up every year, multiple times, on all the SA forums: if I validate a class, should I move ahead or stay back? I say this from experience and with the benefit of data (yes, from my college, not a SA). We (all of us institutions of higher learning) are really good at figuring out what our students are ready to learn. If you take a placement exam that puts you in calc II or III, we're not just hoping you do okay - we know you can succeed. The advantages to taking a remedial course turn out to be few or none, whereas the potential costs are enormous. Contrast that with moving ahead, where there are still potential risks (but the same risk to your GPA), but also potential enormous benefits in terms of opening up different course tracks, the possibility of doing research with one of your professors because you now have the time, and additional courses that could help your service selection. Validation is a gift. Take it.

The point is, there is no guarantee that taking lower level classes will ensure a higher GPA. Each cadet must make this decision for him/herself.
 
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There is a disconnect in LongAgoPlebe' analysis that assists in understanding why each cadet must assess his or her own level of preparation:
  1. 121 students chose to take math at a level below their placement based on a placement exam.
  2. 52 of those 121 (43%) performed poorly in the lower course.
  3. The students who performed poorly were not slackers.
  4. Conclusion: The students who performed poorly did so because they slacked off (didn't do the homework, didn't study for exams)
In order to accept this conclusion, one must also conclude that the students somehow unlearned by December material in which they demonstrated proficiency in August. A more credible explanation is that the placement exam did not sufficiently test the material and those students were not even prepared for the lower level course.

To me, mastery of a course, especially mathematics, is more important than trying to gain some advantage by validating courses. Contrary to what our high schools preach by putting everyone on the honor roll, not everyone is a genius. A small percentage of students have mastered a subject sufficiently to benefit from skipping ahead. Most are better served in the long run by mastering prerequisite subjects before moving on to more advanced material. The difficulty in an engineering course is not necessarily in the concepts, but in the complexity of the mathematics. I saw many students struggle with the advanced algebra they encountered in engineering courses, even though they completed calculus.
 
Do you have a daily workout regimen you would recommend to max out on PT scores? I'd like to be head and shoulders above my peers when (if) I get to beast/for academy life thereafter.
 
There is a disconnect in LongAgoPlebe' analysis that assists in understanding why each cadet must assess his or her own level of preparation:
  1. 121 students chose to take math at a level below their placement based on a placement exam.
  2. 52 of those 121 (43%) performed poorly in the lower course.
  3. The students who performed poorly were not slackers.
  4. Conclusion: The students who performed poorly did so because they slacked off (didn't do the homework, didn't study for exams)
In order to accept this conclusion, one must also conclude that the students somehow unlearned by December material in which they demonstrated proficiency in August. A more credible explanation is that the placement exam did not sufficiently test the material and those students were not even prepared for the lower level course.
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No disconnect in analysis. The placement exam we use is vetted and validated, and it does a good job (as judged by data) predicting which math courses students are ready for. Final exams in December are not the same assessment types at all.
 
I can give an example. My DS has taken Spanish for 4 years in high school. If he started basic level Spanish in college/SA, he can pretty much guarantee a high grade.

I know when you're in high school, you are told to take the most challenging classes such as AP and Honors classes. But in high school, the grades are weighted because they are difficult. But I'm pretty sure that at the SAs, grades are not weighted.

So during your plebe year, when it is stressful because of the new environment and when you're juggling so many different tasks, why not take more basic classes so you can ensure a GPA and higher class rank.

I understand that class rank determines whether you get leadership positions as a cadet, which summer activities you can pursue and ultimately which branch and post you will get assigned.

I don't want to start a flame-war about wimping out and not pushing yourself academically. I understand that viewpoint from a principle standpoint.

But when your class rank has so much influence on your future, it does make you think about which level courses one should take.
That is an excellent question. Personally I did not manage to what we call validate many classes. I had some courses that would have worked at Texas schools but definitely not here. My roommate on the other hand validated at least 3 classes and is doing well. I truly think that USMA is pretty good about putting you in classes that fit you well, permitting you speak with Academic Counselors here who guide you the right way. I know that languages in college move 10 times faster than high school and therefore I would not bomb the tests, but show what you know. Most people at USMA rise to the challenges whether or not they want to. All classes are hard here and maybe having that one extra assignment may not be that big of a deal. Bottom line, just show what you know and let them place you where you fit best.

As for summer and leadership opportunities, yes it is determined partially by your academics, but military and physical grades also factor in to this. Plus I think after one semester at USMA you will have almost everything figured out for studying. My first semester here has been rough but I think I've figured it out and now know how to precede forward. I should also point out that there are so many opportunities to do schools or travel, you can definitely find something, just have to apply.

Hope this helps!
 
Are laptops allowed? My mom was planning to get one for me for graduation, but then we realized I might not even be able to take it!
There are some people who bring them for gaming, but for the most part it is impractical since they give us a laptop and iPad. I would recommend yiu save that money and spend it on something else.

Best of luck!
 
What is daily PT like during Beast?
During Beast everyday you wake up at 0500 sharp and head out to do various types of PT, mostly on a rotating schedule since there are different areas for different workout regimes. You will also run down to wherever it is yo udo the PT and from there you might do pull ups, ankles to the bar, sit ups and push ups, interval running (60 seconds running 120 seconds walking), CrossFit type workouts, distance running, relays, and some other various types of things like fireman carries. It is not extremely difficult but it should help you. APFT score a little bit.

Best of luck!
 
Hi,

Confused Mom seeking clarification on a few things. :)

1) What are APFU shorts?
2) What is a Leatherman?
3) Are there particular brands for socks that you liked the most?

Many thanks! Best wishes to you.
See above for the 1st 2 questions, to answer the 3rd, I like athletic socks that are thicker, but that is personal preference. Socks unbranded aren't always easy to find, however, so I suggest you look sooner rather than later. Fox River Sports socks are great for boot socks.

Hope this helps!
 
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