Plebe experience at USMMA

airbornedaddy

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My son is strongly considering Kings Point and wanted to get some insights on the plebe experience...specifically:

1. Indoc...typical day, do's and dont's, etc...
2. Academics...any tips?
3. What's life like after acceptance? Recognition?
4. Food? Can they order out on the weekends?
5. Do they have options on where they go during their year at sea?

Thanks
 
2. Study. Stay ahead. Do not fall behind. Get help before it's necessary-ask at all levels: company to professor. One line I heard: "For most, what got you here won't keep you here." Of course there are those who can ace quantum physics easily. Always, help your friends, they'll help you. 5. You can ask for specific runs but so will others. I think most sail on 3 ships during sea term. You can get a USN ship on request. From my observations of DD, the crew you get by chance is more important than the destination. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it. Odds are, however, you'll get far away. Most importantly, believe it when you're advised to keep up with the sea projects. From talking to many middies, take what you're given. 1. From DD; Indoc is more mental than physical. You will be yelled at; part of the process. As repeatedly noted on the other threads, the trainers are learning to lead. Some are good, some ain't. You will find that Indoc is the easiest part of the 4 year experience. Level of difficulty increases year by year. 1st Class 20 credits a trimester and studying for license. Anyone who leaves during Indoc didn't want to be there in the first place. Don't get hung up on this.
 
Thanks...good feedback. How about food? Do they get all they want? Can they go get food or have it delivered on the weekends?
 
They recently switched to a new food service company at Kings Point. Then the pandemic hit and most mids have been away from campus. So the jury is still out on how the food will be. Right now, mids and Plebe Candidates come by Delano Hall (the mess hall) and pick up their food or they have meals brought from Delano to their rooms. They have not yet worked out social distancing at mealtime procedures. Rules vary by company, but generally, plebes cannot order food from outside until after recognition in March or April. Do not worry. Picky eaters may not be happy, but no one will starve.
 
1. Indoc...typical day, do's and dont's, etc...
2. Academics...any tips?
3. What's life like after acceptance? Recognition?
4. Food? Can they order out on the weekends?
5. Do they have options on where they go during their year at sea?

1.You can go to the US Merchant Marine Academy Facebook page to see daily posted pictures of the current indoc to get a better idea of what a typical day looks like. As far as do’s and don’s, I gave my kid three pieces of advice when he left for KP.. 1) do what you're told. 2) do what you're told. 3) do what you're damn well told. He followed that advice and it all worked out fine. His indoc experience was almost 20 years ago, so I don't know if things are maybe easier for plebes now.. but regardless, you can’t go too far wrong by keeping your mouth shut and your ears open.

2. In academics, my son told me that a big part was figuring out what to concentrate studying on and what to let pass. He and his roommates figured out the system pretty fast. He had a battle with Calculus, and failed it, but was able to redo it during the summer session. He also had to fight through his Probability and Statistics class but ultimately succeeded in passing that too. All his other classes he did okay in.

3. I don't think there's much change after acceptance.. not sure about plebe life after recognition, but it's probably a little bit easier. I know my son was much happier after recognition.

4. Food is nothing to write home about, but it'll keep you from starving.. As a plebe, you're pretty much stuck eating at school; at least that's the way it was when my kid was there. As an upperclassman he did go out with his rugby teammates fairly frequently to a couple of local joints to eat. Croxley's ale house for 'wings and beer' Wednesdays was one of their 'go to' places as I recall.

5. I guess you could request a particular route/destination; whether the ATR’s will assign you there is another matter.. My son did request to sail on my ship his first sailing period and it was granted.. Aside from that one request, he just went with wherever they put him.

By the way, @airbornedaddy I like your screen name.. As the son of a World War II paratrooper I approve. My dad was in the 504th PIR, 82nd Airborne. He had a couple of combat jumps [Gela and Salerno] and fought at Anzio. After Anzio he rotated back stateside to Benning and was an instructor at The Parachute School. He retired from the army as an SFC in 1965.
 
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1.You can go to the US Merchant Marine Academy Facebook page to see daily posted pictures of the current indoc to get a better idea of what a typical day looks like. As far as do’s and don’s, I gave my kid three pieces of advice when he left for KP.. 1) do what you're told. 2) do what you're told. 3) do what you're damn well told. He followed that advice and it all worked out fine. His indoc experience was almost 20 years ago, so I don't know if things are maybe easier for plebes now.. but regardless, you can’t go too far wrong by keeping your mouth shut and your ears open.

2. In academics, my son told me that a big part was figuring out what to concentrate studying on and what to let pass. He and his roommates figured out the system pretty fast. He had a battle with Calculus, and failed it, but was able to redo it during the summer session. He also had to fight through his Probability and Statistics class but ultimately succeeded in passing that too. All his other classes he did okay in.

3. I don't think there's much change after acceptance.. not sure about plebe life after recognition, but it's probably a little bit easier. I know my son was much happier after recognition.

4. Food is nothing to write home about, but it'll keep you from starving.. As a plebe, you're pretty much stuck eating at school; at least that's the way it was when my kid was there. As an upperclassman he did go out with his rugby teammates fairly frequently to a couple of local joints to eat. Croxley's ale house for 'wings and beer' Wednesdays was one of their 'go to' places as I recall.

5. I guess you could request a particular route/destination; whether the ATR’s will assign you there is another matter.. My son did request to sail on my ship his first sailing period and it was granted.. Aside from that one request, he just went with wherever they put him.

By the way, @airbornedaddy I like your screen name.. As the son of a World War II paratrooper I approve. My dad was in the 504th PIR, 82nd Airborne. He had a couple of combat jumps [Gela and Salerno] and fought at Anzio. After Anzio he rotated back stateside to Benning and was an instructor at The Parachute School. He retired from the army as an SFC in 1965.
Thanks...great info.

I was in the 3/73rd in the 82nd. Got to go to Normandy for 50th as a young buck paratrooper and this last year for the 75th with my son. Thanks to your dad....i absolutely am in awe of those guys.

My son has a good act but english pulled it way up...he does well in math but has to work for it. But he's not one to back down either. Gonna be interesting to see what direction he goes. He ultimately wants to be a SEAL, and it looks like you have more of a chance to get to mini BUDS from USMMA than from USNA. I read a lot of USNA could pass BUDS who want to go, but due to how competitive it is they don't get a shot. Learning a lot.
 
Thanks...great info.

I was in the 3/73rd in the 82nd. Got to go to Normandy for 50th as a young buck paratrooper and this last year for the 75th with my son. Thanks to your dad....i absolutely am in awe of those guys.
@airbornedaddy, You're Welcome! Did you get get a chance to jump at Normandy for the 50th and 75th Anniversaries? I had the opportunity last September to jump with the WWII Airborne Demonstration Team at the Grave Bridge for the 75th Anniversary of Operation Market-Garden.. I got to carry my dads old musette bag on the jump which made it all the more memorable for me.. ADT also jumped last year at Normandy [La Fiere and Sannerville].. Unfortunately I was unable to make that trip.
 
Yes, I got to jump at the 50th...it was my last jump in the 82nd. It was memorable, not only because of the hallowed ground that we landed on...but my straps were loose and when my parachute caught air...it jerked my jewels up into my throat. When I landed, I just laid there and caught my breath. Haha!

It's an amazing place. We stayed in St. Mere Eglise for the 50th and it was so fun. For the 75th, we buzzed through St. Mere Eglise and went to St. Lo which was really neat too. I'm going back with my brothers in a couple years for about 6 days. I can't wait. I would honestly live there if I could talk my wife into it.
@airbornedaddy, You're Welcome! Did you get get a chance to jump at Normandy for the 50th and 75th Anniversaries? I had the opportunity last September to jump with the WWII Airborne Demonstration Team at the Grave Bridge for the 75th Anniversary of Operation Market-Garden.. I got to carry my dads old musette bag on the jump which made it all the more memorable for me.. ADT also jumped last year at Normandy [La Fiere and Sannerville].. Unfortunately I was unable to make that trip.
 
It was memorable, not only because of the hallowed ground that we landed on...but my straps were loose and when my parachute caught air...it jerked my jewels up into my throat. When I landed, I just laid there and caught my breath. Haha!
Yikes.. shouldn't loose straps be caught during the JMPI? I'm assuming you guys were jumping 'Hollywood'? Anyway, if you've got any questions about the maritime industry as it relates to Kings Point, or just the industry in general, PM me.
 
3. I don't think there's much change after acceptance.. not sure about plebe life after recognition, but it's probably a little bit easier. I know my son was much happier after recognition.

Huge difference between Acceptance and Recognition. Acceptance must moves one from Plebe Candidate to Plebe. Recognition, one moves from Plebe to Midshipman 4th class, and the plebe requirements (other than cleaning stations and KP, I believe) are removed.
 
1:
The typical day if indoc goes a little something like this:
Wakeup
Morning PT
shower/change
Breakfast
Classes/on line (learning, pt, doing nothing, ect.)
Lunch
More classes/being on line
Maybe afternoon PT depending on the weather
Dinner
More classes/time on line
Shower/change/time on line
Maybe like 10 mins if free time
Go to bed

The schedule day to day changes depending on what's going on, but that's a typical day. I went through indoc last year, and worked it this year. My best advice is to make it to the next meal. Don't worry about the bigger picture if making it through kings point, just fight the little battles and the larger ones will fall into place. Even if you think you're the top of the top, you're wrong. Stay humble and do what you gotta do. When everyone comes through the gates for indoc, everyone is equally terrible at everything. Over time, you'll start to figure out your strengths and weaknesses. Play to them, and help your shipmates out whenever possible. Don't throw people under the bus, don't try to outperform everyone in your platoon, don't try to be a superstar. Bring your shipmates up when you can, and they will do the same for you.

Aside from advice, I can tell you that you won't have access to your phone besides a 10 min phone call halfway through, you won't be able to tell the time, people are going to yell at you like you've never experienced, you're going to regret your decision to come here and there (that's normal, just stick to it and remember why you came), you're going to constantly feel exhausted, and indoc will be the most fun you never want to have again.
 
At this point, the last phrase is important and wise. He has 3 years to learn in depth about all the options without bias. Take advantage of this. Talk to everyone; they will talk to him. His final choice may be unexpected. Been there. Done that.
 
At this point, the last phrase is important and wise. He has 3 years to learn in depth about all the options without bias. Take advantage of this. Talk to everyone; they will talk to him. His final choice may be unexpected. Been there. Done that.

If you don't care, tell us about your journey from high school through KP and ultimately your career choice. Thanks for the feedback.
 
I am not a KPer. DD is. I was not a helicopter, kept my mouth shut (my friends would not believe this,) but observed closely. I have told her story on SAF before and you should be able to check my previous posts. If not, let me know and I will repeat it. I will not tell her choice because I believe it is irrelevant here. I will say that, like most who graduate, she was ready to do well. What is important are the OPTIONS, having 3-4 years to decide rather than when a high school junior. Their are paths in all the options that most of us have never heard of. Best wishes to you and yours. If you are militarilly (sic) challenged, feel free to contact SAF or me anytime. It was an uncharted road when DW and myself were where you are now.
 
If you don't care, tell us about your journey from high school through KP and ultimately your career choice. Thanks for the feedback.
I will say that KP was the only school I wanted to go to and the only school I applied to. I structured my HS Senior Year classes specifically with KP in mind. I went in with a plan to sail deep sea when I graduated. That hadn't really changed by the time I finished my second sea year but the except that the idea of a small ship and small crew kind of appealed to me. There were a few operators in this market but nothing in that realm panned out for me. I considered Navy SWO for a while senior year but in the end my fiancee/wife kind of nixed that for me. The more I learned about the SWO community after graduation makes me VERY happy with that choice in the long run ... best decision I never made.

My career has been such ...

Sailed Tug/Barge
Defense Contractor(s)
Government Civilian
Sailed Tug/Barge (Again)
Foreign Flag State (Office weenie)
Foreign Flag State Marine Inspector

It took me until about 20 yrs post graduation to really find my sweet spot.
 
Great info...i tell my kids life is about options and connections...I think KP gives you plenty of both. SWO is cool and sexy...but i told him that he should consider the pilot route, but what do dad's know.
 
I will say that KP was the only school I wanted to go to and the only school I applied to. I structured my HS Senior Year classes specifically with KP in mind. I went in with a plan to sail deep sea when I graduated. That hadn't really changed by the time I finished my second sea year but the except that the idea of a small ship and small crew kind of appealed to me. There were a few operators in this market but nothing in that realm panned out for me. I considered Navy SWO for a while senior year but in the end my fiancee/wife kind of nixed that for me. The more I learned about the SWO community after graduation makes me VERY happy with that choice in the long run ... best decision I never made.

My career has been such ...

Sailed Tug/Barge
Defense Contractor(s)
Government Civilian
Sailed Tug/Barge (Again)
Foreign Flag State (Office weenie)
Foreign Flag State Marine Inspector

It took me until about 20 yrs post graduation to really find my sweet spot.


Mine has taken some turns, too.

Sailed Union
Sailed Tug Barge and ATB
Class Society Field Surveyor
Energy Loss (Insurance) Adjuster, and yeah, it took me about 20 years, too.
 
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