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Cadet35
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Didn’t bring it up to cadre. There is no need for that IMO.
Yes the college allows it for my degree, it is a passing grade, and I do not need to repeat.
My main concern is- are transcripts evaluated for branching/class rank or is it simply “what is this CDT’s GPA?” I am in great standing within my class and with cadre so I am truly hoping this does not shake things up for the worse.
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As far as I'm aware, they only look at GPA. What goes into the academic portion of our OML is our GPA, our major (so whether we're STEM or whatnot), and our foreign language history. GPA of course makes up a very large percentage of that. Just stay on top of it in the future and you're solid!
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Thank you. As far as OML breakdowns go I believe it was 20% academic outcomes, 20% physical outcomes, & 60% leadership outcomes/PMS rating for this most recent fiscal year.
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Yeah though I think that was only due to covid. I'd expect that when it's our turn to branch that academic will be weighted higher (and thus leadership lower).
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straight A's with one D is not gonna kill you. Above 3.5 is still more than half of the ROTC people if you can keep that up all four years
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Set aside GPA for a moment. @kinnem asks a crucial question. Are you an engineering major? If so, does your school accept Ds in a major course?
Where I teach, students need at least a C- in major courses. Otherwise, it’s a do-over. So that D may require you to retake the course. And frankly, if you’re an engineering major, you should probably retake it to set yourself up properly for subsequent — and more-difficult — classes. Those may very well affect your pace toward graduation and commissioning. So go to the primary source and figure it out.
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Yes I am an engineering major. They accept a D in the course I took. The only instance where it’s a C- to pass is in calculus I, II, & III. I did however switch engineering disciplines and the new discipline I am in does not require this course. Wish I could’ve dropped the course earlier, but it’s whatever.
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I'd disagree with this assessment. I'd bet it's highly likely your advisor will review your transcript for the semester and see this. Would you like for this to be how they become aware of the D? Or do you think it would be better for them to hear it from you, along with an explanation of why this happened and how you are going to correct it moving forward?
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Why would my advisor arbitrarily tell them I got a D in an engineering course that has zero value to my current degree and will not impact my graduation date? (also my cumulative GPA is still above 3.5). As long as you maintain a high GPA, I would be floored if cadre cared.
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I was referring to your ROTC class advisor, not your school academic advisor. Your ROTC advisor may not care, if you tell them about it. I would think they would be surprised and have some questions if they found out about it from reviewing your transcripts. Do what you like. Just a bit of free advice that may only be worth what you paid for it.
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Congrats in the straight A's! Very Impressive. I'm in NROTC, and I told my company officer(cadre) about a C in calculus even though I have a 3.5. I'm not sure how your units environment is, but I would encourage letting them know
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My environment would be the following:
I go and tell cadre my grade and they would then ask what my GPA is. I tell them my GPA… then they subsequently tell me to get out of their office
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Well, ha ha...sounds like you have it all figured out.My environment would be the following:
I go and tell cadre my grade and they would then ask what my GPA is. I tell them my GPA… then they subsequently tell me to get out of their office
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@Cadet35 - you have the same conviction and certainty in your beliefs as a young adult as I did at that age, and for full transparency, sometimes according to my spouse, still sometimes do
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I hear ya - you are certain you're correct to not discuss this issue with your chain of command / advisors and the multiple posts above trying to point out another path - your listening window is closed. And who knows, maybe you know something others who are trying to help you don't - maybe you're right in this case.
But here's what I think you may be missing, generally. A good life trait is to have that transparency for good and bad progress and - and this is key - always pair any bad news with a mitigation plan that shows you're aware of the issue, and a clear step path that shows you're owning the issue and have a specific plan to fix it in a specific timeline. And if you cannot, then escalate that when the issue is small and early, in asking for then utilize help. Present that you're in control and prove it. Let them hear of small issues when there is still time to fix it, vs past-tense failures - include them as they may help you avoid a bad outcome. Your advisor couldn't help, get you tutors, discuss options to drop, etc. after the semester. If they "hear" you struggled from a report card after the semester, it introduces doubt, makes you suspect. Err on the side of building trust, not doubt. Maybe the cadre leader above you would throw you out of their office - maybe they aren't good leaders or also struggle to listen - again just generally though, more often than not,, statistically you're better off discussing issues and avoiding surprises. Had you done so, your advisor might have helped you to drop this course sooner, or move it to pass/ fail to avoid the mark on your record you now have - forever.
Where's that emoji for slamming a head into a wall? Probably I will need it for thinking I might get through to help you because the other posts nicely outlined the same as what I'm saying which you refuted.
But that's cool - I'm willing to try in case it might help even if not immediately. No need to reply to mansplain why you're correct again in the path you're taking - I already know of how certain you are in that choice- good luck to you.
. I hear ya - you are certain you're correct to not discuss this issue with your chain of command / advisors and the multiple posts above trying to point out another path - your listening window is closed. And who knows, maybe you know something others who are trying to help you don't - maybe you're right in this case.
But here's what I think you may be missing, generally. A good life trait is to have that transparency for good and bad progress and - and this is key - always pair any bad news with a mitigation plan that shows you're aware of the issue, and a clear step path that shows you're owning the issue and have a specific plan to fix it in a specific timeline. And if you cannot, then escalate that when the issue is small and early, in asking for then utilize help. Present that you're in control and prove it. Let them hear of small issues when there is still time to fix it, vs past-tense failures - include them as they may help you avoid a bad outcome. Your advisor couldn't help, get you tutors, discuss options to drop, etc. after the semester. If they "hear" you struggled from a report card after the semester, it introduces doubt, makes you suspect. Err on the side of building trust, not doubt. Maybe the cadre leader above you would throw you out of their office - maybe they aren't good leaders or also struggle to listen - again just generally though, more often than not,, statistically you're better off discussing issues and avoiding surprises. Had you done so, your advisor might have helped you to drop this course sooner, or move it to pass/ fail to avoid the mark on your record you now have - forever.
Where's that emoji for slamming a head into a wall? Probably I will need it for thinking I might get through to help you because the other posts nicely outlined the same as what I'm saying which you refuted.
But that's cool - I'm willing to try in case it might help even if not immediately. No need to reply to mansplain why you're correct again in the path you're taking - I already know of how certain you are in that choice- good luck to you.
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@Cadet35 - you have the same conviction and certainty in your beliefs as a young adult as I did at that age, and for full transparency, sometimes according to my spouse, still sometimes do
I hear ya - you are certain you're correct to not discuss this issue with your chain of command / advisors and the multiple posts above trying to point out another path - your listening window is closed. And who knows, maybe you know something others who are trying to help you don't - maybe you're right in this case.
But here's what I think you may be missing, generally. A good life trait is to have that transparency for good and bad progress and - and this is key - always pair any bad news with a mitigation plan that shows you're aware of the issue, and a clear step path that shows you're owning the issue and have a specific plan to fix it in a specific timeline. And if you cannot, then escalate that when the issue is small and early, in asking for then utilize help. Present that you're in control and prove it. Let them hear of small issues when there is still time to fix it, vs past-tense failures - include them as they may help you avoid a bad outcome. Your advisor couldn't help, get you tutors, discuss options to drop, etc. after the semester. If they "hear" you struggled from a report card after the semester, it introduces doubt, makes you suspect. Err on the side of building trust, not doubt. Maybe the cadre leader above you would throw you out of their office - maybe they aren't good leaders or also struggle to listen - again just generally though, more often than not,, statistically you're better off discussing issues and avoiding surprises. Had you done so, your advisor might have helped you to drop this course sooner, or move it to pass/ fail to avoid the mark on your record you now have - forever.
Where's that emoji for slamming a head into a wall? Probably I will need it for thinking I might get through to help you because the other posts nicely outlined the same as what I'm saying which you refuted.
Agreed. I really appreciate your response. There was a significant amount of detail I left out of my original postings of going back and forth with my advisor trying to change the course to P/F or do a late withdrawal. However, I definitely am considering alerting a member of cadre. I just feel like they wouldn’t care as long as my GPA is high.. and I got really good grades in my other courses so you can see that the class rigor/ the professor’s nonsense was a huge factor in this one course. All of these postings are starting to convince me to alert cadre though. On one hand I feel it shows over-arching responsibility/care. On the other I feel it will alert them of this grade for no reason (they will likely not see my transcript letter grades/they won’t care (like I mentioned).
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Good decision to talk with them?? I'm pretty sure they will see the transcript. Even if they don't see it and don't care, then there is no harm done. If they do care and you're not forthcoming and transparent, then you have problems. Like Herman's response this is good advice for all aspects of life.
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Who gets better than a C in Calculus? That was worse than spending a year in North Vietnamese POW camp circa 1970!
I like you're handle, by the way. Ever been to a tavern on L Street?