The final word? Ok... MY final word!
You guys are posting to fast for me to have my final word!!!
@DevilDog… Darn it, now Karm1 will say you are fighting my fights that my daughter should be fighting!
Thanks for the support and slogging thru my long post…
@ Kram1… The reason why they have those little emoticons is to deliver the expressive intent of the printed word… For example: a Smiley Face
can represent
S a r c a s m
Since you are the only one to not get my point nor recognize I have provided a reasonably defensible position, along with you stating that being accepted at good engineering schools (Marquette, UW Madison, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Purdue for my daughter) has absolutely ZERO to do with acceptance; topped off by the “helicopter Dad eating sour grapes” perfectly display who the real troll is in this discussion (@jasperdog – I had to get that one off MY back). You know Kram1, institutions outside of Kings Point actually ask for high SAT scores too! As to why she applied at so many schools – let’s not go into the psyche of an 18 year old female – I am unarmed
(@Kram1 – the smile
now denotes an attempt at humor)
@cmakin… lol – you are just trying to bait me…
@Packer… You are correct – Offers of Appointment and Accepted Appointments that occupy an allocated vacancy are completely different. Try a word search thru the entire 46 CFR and see if you can find the word “Offer” used in the context of this discussion… nope – nada…
@4Kids… you need to re-read my post and the additional information provided below
@Lynpar… I already covered this using California as an example in my 2nd post
@jasperdog… No, I emphatically state that I am not a troll and 1) you have had a very cool (can a 53 year old engineer still use that term?) career 2) I appreciate your thoughtful response 3) the Knee Jerk comment was not directed toward you, I should have been more specific and you have to be less defensive… lol – Packer never said you stated “Sour Grapes” either. And 4) Your years as a field representative completely explains your familiarity with the Title 46. A federal document that I have become all too familiar with myself. Truth be told, we were late to the game because we only learned about Kings Point in a chance meeting with a KP alum in late February 2011, sigh. She got the additional nomination (besides her NROTC) and scrambled to complete her application by the March 1st deadline. She had already passed her DodMERB for the NROTC. She was immediately posted on the status website as ON-HOLD (we confirmed that that she was fully qualified by the USMMA as an Alternate Candidate). She remained as an alternate until shortly after May 1st when her status was changed to DENIED and a form letter was sent with the generic closing remarks.
It has been confirmed that the only one of the Principals for our state accepted and the rest turned down their offers ahead of May 1st. The Academy did not offer additional app beyond the initial Principals and the remaining allocated vacancies went to other states. Yes, with an NROTC scholarship in hand, she has just completed her freshman year at one of those listed schools and will remain in their program. For the record, she had 740 on her verbal and a 640 on the math SAT. I wish her math had been a little higher, but it was good enough to get her approved by the MMA as a QUALIFIED ALTERNATE ON-HOLD and that is all that is needed in this discussion. It’s all good. She rolls with the best of ‘em…
So why am I here? Because I just recently bumped into the same KP Alum that got my daughter going a year ago and we both griped and rehashed the outcome… We figured that as long as it is in the regulations, the Academy has to follow the rules. I know – crazy talk… But I’m stubborn problem solving engineer with a penchant for debate and I hold a grudge against a singular individual in the employ of KP along with his/her minions and compliant superiors. I don’t want to be too specific Ha – I know… “move on”… “get over it”… “Your daughter has and you should too!”
Seriously ‘tho, the more I looked into it the more kids I found like my own… Designated by the USMMA as QUALIFIED ALTERNATE CANDIDATES ON-HOLD that were eventually changed to DENIED while vacancies allocated to their state were given away to other states, territories and/or Admin Appointments… Jasperdog, being a field rep, I know that you are familiar with the detailed Class Profile created each year by the Admin Office. It has much more detail than the class overview posted on the web. The respective state enrollments and alternates left on the bubble are easy to tally once you get your hands on the right document! Yes – I think that (44) States sounds great for the Class of 2012. The incoming Class of 2015, has (41) states enrolled participating. But looking at it thru my “personal perspective” (can’t deny it), I see (15) Qualified Alternate, On-Hold candidates denied a federally mandated vacancy that they should have been appointed for their under-represented states…
I previously listed some of the numbers for the Class of 2015 but to reiterate, the top 10 states received (93) appointments above their quota of (76) for a total of (169) enrollments. Only (15) Qualified Alternate Candidates were denied appointments to their state’s allocated vacancies. Is finding or holding back (15) slots out of the (93) too much to expect of the Admissions staff? I assure you, those (15) kids (and yes Karm1, their parents) don’t think so. Note – I didn’t say only (15) Alternates were denied appointments. That number is (193). I am only talking about states that were denied the chance to merely meet their allocation…
For the Class of 2014 the top (10) states received a whopping (144) additional appointments over and above their (78) allocated vacancies for a total of (222). Luckily (except from "the perspective"
of the Qualified Alternate candidates left behind) only (7) kids missed out on allocations for their state that were given to another...
Gentlemen, Gentlewomen and antagonists: My original question has been well debated. I really appreciate all the participants that added
useful input. As to my daughter giving it another run after 2 years of college - we'll be talking about it as we review her year with NROTC. I don't personally have KP blood running through my veins so I perhaps I am less motivated than others to encourage her to make the jump. Besides, creeping up on 20 - she can make her own decision (Happier Karm1?
) Well, like jasperdog I think this discussion has run its course as has my particpation... As I like to say in my business:
“We have not succeeded in answering all our questions. The answers we have found only serve to raise a whole set of new questions. In some ways we feel we are as confused as ever, but we believe we are confused on a higher level and about more important things.”
Best of luck and prosperity to you and yours
… SvcDad