Reapplying to USNA (after a turndown)

Lesson learned from my DS and passing this on to all reapplicants for this and future years: If your medical examination status still shows as "Not Received" on your portal, be sure to check your DODMERB account for requests to complete two short questionnaires - one general, one COVID (as well as any other potential items that may pertain to you individually).

DS was puzzled over the last two months as the items on his application portal were submitted and checked off, but medical never flipped to "received" - which he thought would happen automatically. He emailed his AO, who basically told DS that USNA would request his medical if he were competitive. After a few weeks, DS decided to check his DODMERB account (surprisingly, AO did not suggest this) and saw a request for him to complete the two questionnaires. Turns out that he had received an email from DODMERB last fall on this, but he missed it. :oops:

The questionnaires are simple and do not require an office visit etc., so DS completed and submitted them to DODMERB, who promptly cleared his status as qualified for USNA. Be sure to do this promptly if you haven't done so already - and good luck to all!
Not that my DS is in the exact same boat, but- his application has been completed for a couple months- at face value it should be extremely competitive, we keep waiting and waiting to hear about his initial medical request (no emails, nothing in spam/junk)...nothing. DS contacts USNA admission counselor a few times- gets the "USNA will request medical if his application is competitive". DS is really hoping that something isn't getting overlooked by someone.
 
It's been discussed before that medical waiver decisions are only made for candidates who are likely to receive an offer -- because of the time required to make most of those decisions. Not worth doing if the candidate is not competitive.

The SAs (at least USNA) are realizing there is a fair amount of time and (for new applicants) cost in the medical examination process. On the flip side, they know that some medical issues take a lot of time to resolve. In the past, the approach was to get all candidates who completed 50% of their package started on the medical bandwagon to allow sufficient time to sort out issues. SAs could be introducing at least some element of competitiveness in the medical process in general. IOW, is it worth the military paying an exam for someone who is non-competitive? The same could well be true of reviewing the DODMERB update for reapplicants. Probably too early to tell and some of the delays could be due to glitches with the new system

Two important facts to keep in mind. First, "competitive" doesn't mean you'll receive an appointment. Rather, you're in the running. Second, USNA doesn't make competitive determinations all at once. So the fact you're waiting doesn't necessarily mean you're not competitive -- it could well mean that your record hasn't been reviewed.
 
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Lesson learned from my DS and passing this on to all reapplicants for this and future years: If your medical examination status still shows as "Not Received" on your portal, be sure to check your DODMERB account for requests to complete two short questionnaires - one general, one COVID (as well as any other potential items that may pertain to you individually).

DS was puzzled over the last two months as the items on his application portal were submitted and checked off, but medical never flipped to "received" - which he thought would happen automatically. He emailed his AO, who basically told DS that USNA would request his medical if he were competitive. After a few weeks, DS decided to check his DODMERB account (surprisingly, AO did not suggest this) and saw a request for him to complete the two questionnaires. Turns out that he had received an email from DODMERB last fall on this, but he missed it. :oops:

The questionnaires are simple and do not require an office visit etc., so DS completed and submitted them to DODMERB, who promptly cleared his status as qualified for USNA. Be sure to do this promptly if you haven't done so already - and good luck to all!
YES! DS had the same sort of issue. And here's a twist! DS received and filled out the questionnaire (only 1, in the *BEFORE* COVID times LOL), saw that it was received on DODMERB, but then it never made it to USNA. The issue was that he had also applied to NROTC, and the completed questionnaire only applied to his NROTC application. Evidently, you have to fill out the form multiple times, one for each entity that needs to know that you are still medically qualified from prior year.
 
Below is information for those reapplying to USNA after being turned down. It also may be helpful to first time candidates who are currently in college.

PLEASE NOTE: While every attempt has been made to make this sticky accurate, the information below has not been reviewed, approved or endorsed by USNA.

You got the TWE this year and are considering reapplying for next year. Now what?


First, USNA looks favorably on those who reapply. They like the persistence and maturity of post h.s. candidates. About 1/3 of each entering class has a year or more of post h.s. education. However, as a reapplicant, you have to address your "weaknesses" from your original application or make your already stellar application even stronger. Submitting essentially the same packet is unlikely to produce a different result.

Second, contact USNA Admissions, preferably waiting until June or July, when things are a bit slower. Ask your Regional Director what specifically you can do to improve your package in the coming year. You may also want to talk to your BGO. Don't guess. Don't assume. If you don't know what held you back, you can't "fix" it and, until you do, your chances of admission don't increase. If you didn't get a nom, try contacting your MOC's SA rep and ask what you can do to improve.

Third, enroll at a 4-yr college -- not a community college unless this is all you can financially afford, in which case make sure USNA knows this is the reason. The college itself isn't all that important. Take the following courses -- calc, chemistry w/lab, English, history and, if possible physics. Get As or high Bs. I cannot emphasize this enough. Taking and doing well in the plebe courses demonstrates more than anything that you can handle the academic load at USNA. Take mostly other courses or get low Bs and below and it's unlikely your status with USNA will change.

Fourth, with respect to leadership, sports and ECAs . . . USNA realizes there are limits on what freshman can do, especially at large universities. That said, look for ways to make yourself stand out. For example, do something productive during the summer, such as getting a job or working at a non-profit. Once at college, find a small project (i.e., fundraiser) that you can lead or take a large role in leading. Play organized sports (intramurals, club sports, etc.). Your grades are still of PRIMARY importance so don't go so overboard with activities that your grades slip. But at the same time, try to do some things that show USNA you can handle academics AND the other stuff that USNA will throw at you.

Fifth, consider asking for a new BGO. The reason is that you want another BGO to say that you're great. Your current BGO is unlikely to change his/her opinion of you and a fresh perspective is always a good thing; if you liked your first BGO, you can always keep in contact and ask him/her to write another rec. That said, a great rec from another BGO helps. If you're assigned the same BGO, ask the Area Coordinator for someone else, maybe a BGO near your college. Note: there is no requirement to change BGOs and some successful reapplicants keep the same one. But, for the reasons stated above, having a second BGO can help you -- and may be logistically easier depending on the location of your college and your schedule.

Sixth, check with your RD about retaking SATs/ACTs. USNA considers standardized tests to be a predictor of college success. The better predictor is how well you actually do in college "plebe" courses. However, if your SATs were lower than 650V/700M, you probably should retake them because it might help. As noted, if in doubt, ask your RD.

Seventh, re-evaluate your CFA. Did you max out on every event? If not, there is room for improvement. USNA focuses on crunches (sit-ups), push-ups and the mile run but every event counts. While the CFA technically is pass/fail, an excellent score helps. This is particularly true if you’re not participating in college varsity sports and, as a freshman, it's quite likely you're not. So get with a coach or trainer, work on any events you didn't max, and retake it.

Should I write new essays?

Yes. You will have matured a lot in the year since you first applied and that increased maturity will inevitably show in your essay. It’s not that USNA will (necessarily) compare the old vs. new, but rather that you can help show how you have matured and improved through your essay.

Do I need to reapply for a nomination?

Yes. Nominations do not "carry over" from one year to the next. Thus you need to reapply to your MOCs, VP and any other sources for which you're eligible.

Should I submit my new USNA application package right away?

No. Things are different for college students/reapplicants than for h.s students. USNA won’t consider your application until first semester college grades are in, which is typically near the end of January. Thus, do NOT rush to submit your package to USNA – take the time to get in more ECAs, sports, better essays, etc. BTW, this does not apply to MOC deadlines, which typically are the same for all applicants.

Does it matter what college I attend?

Not really, provided it’s a 4-yr college. USNA recognizes that people may need/want to attend certain colleges for various reasons, including financial. Obviously, attending MIT and receiving all As isn’t going to hurt! But it’s not required. Reapplying to USNA may not work out, so choose a college where you expect to be happy for the next four years. If you can only afford to attend a community college for financial or other reasons, be sure to discuss this with your BGO.

I validated out of [pick any] “plebe course” at my college and/or I can’t get into [pick any] plebe course at my college. What do I do?

If you validate out of the entry level of a plebe course, try to take the next level of that same course. For example, if you validate Calc I, take Calc II. If you validate Calc I and II, take Calc III or some other higher level math course. If you validate out of freshman English, take another English class that includes written work. If you can’t get into a course (e.g., chemistry b/c it’s filled with doctor wannabes), take physics or intro to engineering. You should try to model your course load on the plebe courses, but if you encounter difficulties, take courses as close as possible given your limitations. Plebes take 16/17 hours per semester, so your course load should be in that range – at least 15 hours/semester.

Should/must I do NROTC?

Doing ROTC can help in many ways. First, it can help you confirm that a military lifestyle/career is what you really want. Second, it provides a another source for a nomination. Third, it helps demonstrate your interest in the USN. The above said, it’s not a requirement for a successful reapplication. There are various reasons that some candidates can’t or don’t want to do ROTC. If you excel in other ways, the fact you didn’t do ROTC shouldn’t be an issue.

I’m currently a cadet/mid at another SA but I really want to attend USNA. Can I apply from one SA to another?

Yes, you can apply. Technically, you could be accepted. Realistically, you won’t be. The main reason is that SAs don’t want to be seen as “poaching” from one another – the whole thing could quickly become very unseemly. A secondary/related reason is that every SA wants people to attend who actually want to be there and not those who see it as a jumping off spot for another SA; thus none of the SAs wants to encourage that approach. If you don’t like the SA you’re currently attending and want to attend another SA, you’re probably going to have to leave that SA and attend civilian college for a year while applying to the other SA(s). Not an easy process. Thus, you should never go to SA#1 with the hope or expectation that you can parlay that into four years at SA#2.

Prep school vs. college – which should I do?

USNA says college. There are some exceptions which include (but aren’t limited to): you need help with study skills or time management; your high school was terrible and didn’t prepare you well; you need to build independence and learn to live away from home. Going to prep school (including Foundation schools) as an unsponsored student believing this will increase your chances of admission is risky. View with skepticism the numbers prep schools tout in terms of SA admissions – be sure you’re looking at “self prep” numbers, not numbers that include “sponsored” prep students. A year at prep school is absolutely terrific for some and a total waste of time and money for others.

I’m in a huge lecture class at college and my prof doesn’t know me. Whom should I ask for teacher recommendations?

USNA prefers recommendations from your college profs as they are able to comment on college level work. However, if you’re in a huge lecture class (>100 students) where the prof doesn't know his/her students, USNA will accept recommendations from your senior year h.s. English and math teachers. If you have small sections in college math or English or you otherwise have gotten to know your prof, you should use your college prof. One side note – if you plan to use your college profs, remember there is no need for them to submit the rec early. However, you may want to tell your prof early in the semester that you will be asking for a rec so he/she can get to know you. If you plan to submit h.s. teacher recs, I suggest you ask for them early so that you are still fresh in their minds from the prior year.

What should I do during the summer after my senior year?

First, take couple weeks of vacation. You deserve it and probably need it. After that, do something that will improve your chances of being appointed next year, which basically means doing something productive. For many, this means work. USNA understands that candidates about to enter civilian college may need to get a job in order to help finance their education. That's perfectly fine and expected.

If you're lucky enough not to need a job, consider what you can do to improve yourself or the lives of others. Volunteer. Take an intensive language course. Participate in sports camps. Something other than hanging around the house or mall all summer.

People who are successful at USNA are those who like to keep busy – and summers at USNA are jam-packed. Thus, show USNA that you can do something useful with your free time.

A few other notes:

You will get a new candidate number and will need to resubmit everything to USNA (e.g., new letters of recommendation, new Candidate Activities Record). You need to retake the CFA. You do NOT need to redo your medical (DODMERB exam is good for 2 years) unless something in your medical situation has changed.

You will in all likelihood maintain your current district/state of residence, even when you go to college (mostly because you remain a dependent of your parents). In that case, you reapply to the same MOCs.

USNA has told BGOs that it is important for reapplicants to improve on ALL areas of their application -- grades, CFA, standardized tests and continued leadership. IOW, it's not enough simply to get As in the plebe courses -- you want to push yourself across the board.

Doing all the above is not a guarantee of an appointment. But, for those who remain determined, it's the best path.

Finally, the moment you receive a turndown, you tend to think that reapplying to USNA is the only answer. However, along that journey, many young men and women find that they really love their civilian school. Many open a new USNA application only to pull it weeks or months later.

The fact is that, much as you wanted to attend USNA, you may well find that “Plan B” turns out to be an exceptional Plan A and soon you can’t imagine being anywhere else. Embrace that! There are many paths to happiness and success in life – USNA is only one of them.

Reapplicants who do receive USNA appointments may still struggle with the decision whether to leave their civilian school, where they’ve had success, made friends, etc. I worked with one who loved her civilian school and wasn’t sure she wanted to “start over” at USNA. She ended up doing so, was extremely happy, and graduated from USNA in the top 50 of her class. However, it wasn’t an easy decision – and it may not be for you.

If the desire for USNA still burns, go for it. But, if the USNA flame is replaced by a love for your new school/life, be thrilled it’s worked out so well for you and celebrate your success.

Best of luck!
Thank you for the information. USNA admissions recommended DS for foundation school. In your “A Few Other Notes” above, will my DS follow the same path as a foundation prep?
 
Thank you for the information. USNA admissions recommended DS for foundation school. In your “A Few Other Notes” above, will my DS follow the same path as a foundation prep?
A Foundation prep student will NOT follow the same path as someone who is turned down without NAPS/Foundation. There are very specific requirements for sponsored preparers (Foundation) in terms of reapplying. The liaison from USNA with whom you speak regarding the program will be in touch with your DS throughout the process ensuring he knows exactly what to do when.

He will need to apply for all noms for which he is eligible next year, but if he does not receive a nom, it's not an issue. He will be charged to SecNav. He doesn't take the CFA -- he takes the same PRT as they take at USNA. He should aim to do well. He will be encouraged to retake the SAT / ACT and should do his best, although if he doesn't do as well, it won't hurt.

Bottom line -- he needs to keep his grades up, stay out of trouble (cannot emphasize this enough), stay in shape, and he will have an appointment to USNA. A relative went through Foundation -- it's a terrific program. She's now graduated USNA and an officer.

Feel free to PM me with any questions. Congrats on Foundation!!
 
A Foundation prep student will NOT follow the same path as someone who is turned down without NAPS/Foundation. There are very specific requirements for sponsored preparers (Foundation) in terms of reapplying. The liaison from USNA with whom you speak regarding the program will be in touch with your DS throughout the process ensuring he knows exactly what to do when.

He will need to apply for all noms for which he is eligible next year, but if he does not receive a nom, it's not an issue. He will be charged to SecNav. He doesn't take the CFA -- he takes the same PRT as they take at USNA. He should aim to do well. He will be encouraged to retake the SAT / ACT and should do his best, although if he doesn't do as well, it won't hurt.

Bottom line -- he needs to keep his grades up, stay out of trouble (cannot emphasize this enough), stay in shape, and he will have an appointment to USNA. A relative went through Foundation -- it's a terrific program. She's now graduated USNA and an officer.

Feel free to PM me with any questions. Congrats on Foundation!!
Thank you once again. You’re most helpful.
 
Below is information for those reapplying to USNA after being turned down. It also may be helpful to first time candidates who are currently in college.

PLEASE NOTE: While every attempt has been made to make this sticky accurate, the information below has not been reviewed, approved or endorsed by USNA.

You got the TWE this year and are considering reapplying for next year. Now what?


First, USNA looks favorably on those who reapply. They like the persistence and maturity of post h.s. candidates. About 1/3 of each entering class has a year or more of post h.s. education. However, as a reapplicant, you have to address your "weaknesses" from your original application or make your already stellar application even stronger. Submitting essentially the same packet is unlikely to produce a different result.

Second, contact USNA Admissions, preferably waiting until June or July, when things are a bit slower. Ask your Regional Director what specifically you can do to improve your package in the coming year. You may also want to talk to your BGO. Don't guess. Don't assume. If you don't know what held you back, you can't "fix" it and, until you do, your chances of admission don't increase. If you didn't get a nom, try contacting your MOC's SA rep and ask what you can do to improve.

Third, enroll at a 4-yr college -- not a community college unless this is all you can financially afford, in which case make sure USNA knows this is the reason. The college itself isn't all that important. Take the following courses -- calc, chemistry w/lab, English, history and, if possible physics. Get As or high Bs. I cannot emphasize this enough. Taking and doing well in the plebe courses demonstrates more than anything that you can handle the academic load at USNA. Take mostly other courses or get low Bs and below and it's unlikely your status with USNA will change.

Fourth, with respect to leadership, sports and ECAs . . . USNA realizes there are limits on what freshman can do, especially at large universities. That said, look for ways to make yourself stand out. For example, do something productive during the summer, such as getting a job or working at a non-profit. Once at college, find a small project (i.e., fundraiser) that you can lead or take a large role in leading. Play organized sports (intramurals, club sports, etc.). Your grades are still of PRIMARY importance so don't go so overboard with activities that your grades slip. But at the same time, try to do some things that show USNA you can handle academics AND the other stuff that USNA will throw at you.

Fifth, consider asking for a new BGO. The reason is that you want another BGO to say that you're great. Your current BGO is unlikely to change his/her opinion of you and a fresh perspective is always a good thing; if you liked your first BGO, you can always keep in contact and ask him/her to write another rec. That said, a great rec from another BGO helps. If you're assigned the same BGO, ask the Area Coordinator for someone else, maybe a BGO near your college. Note: there is no requirement to change BGOs and some successful reapplicants keep the same one. But, for the reasons stated above, having a second BGO can help you -- and may be logistically easier depending on the location of your college and your schedule.

Sixth, check with your RD about retaking SATs/ACTs. USNA considers standardized tests to be a predictor of college success. The better predictor is how well you actually do in college "plebe" courses. However, if your SATs were lower than 650V/700M, you probably should retake them because it might help. As noted, if in doubt, ask your RD.

Seventh, re-evaluate your CFA. Did you max out on every event? If not, there is room for improvement. USNA focuses on crunches (sit-ups), push-ups and the mile run but every event counts. While the CFA technically is pass/fail, an excellent score helps. This is particularly true if you’re not participating in college varsity sports and, as a freshman, it's quite likely you're not. So get with a coach or trainer, work on any events you didn't max, and retake it.

Should I write new essays?

Yes. You will have matured a lot in the year since you first applied and that increased maturity will inevitably show in your essay. It’s not that USNA will (necessarily) compare the old vs. new, but rather that you can help show how you have matured and improved through your essay.

Do I need to reapply for a nomination?

Yes. Nominations do not "carry over" from one year to the next. Thus you need to reapply to your MOCs, VP and any other sources for which you're eligible.

Should I submit my new USNA application package right away?

No. Things are different for college students/reapplicants than for h.s students. USNA won’t consider your application until first semester college grades are in, which is typically near the end of January. Thus, do NOT rush to submit your package to USNA – take the time to get in more ECAs, sports, better essays, etc. BTW, this does not apply to MOC deadlines, which typically are the same for all applicants.

Does it matter what college I attend?

Not really, provided it’s a 4-yr college. USNA recognizes that people may need/want to attend certain colleges for various reasons, including financial. Obviously, attending MIT and receiving all As isn’t going to hurt! But it’s not required. Reapplying to USNA may not work out, so choose a college where you expect to be happy for the next four years. If you can only afford to attend a community college for financial or other reasons, be sure to discuss this with your BGO.

I validated out of [pick any] “plebe course” at my college and/or I can’t get into [pick any] plebe course at my college. What do I do?

If you validate out of the entry level of a plebe course, try to take the next level of that same course. For example, if you validate Calc I, take Calc II. If you validate Calc I and II, take Calc III or some other higher level math course. If you validate out of freshman English, take another English class that includes written work. If you can’t get into a course (e.g., chemistry b/c it’s filled with doctor wannabes), take physics or intro to engineering. You should try to model your course load on the plebe courses, but if you encounter difficulties, take courses as close as possible given your limitations. Plebes take 16/17 hours per semester, so your course load should be in that range – at least 15 hours/semester.

Should/must I do NROTC?

Doing ROTC can help in many ways. First, it can help you confirm that a military lifestyle/career is what you really want. Second, it provides a another source for a nomination. Third, it helps demonstrate your interest in the USN. The above said, it’s not a requirement for a successful reapplication. There are various reasons that some candidates can’t or don’t want to do ROTC. If you excel in other ways, the fact you didn’t do ROTC shouldn’t be an issue.

I’m currently a cadet/mid at another SA but I really want to attend USNA. Can I apply from one SA to another?

Yes, you can apply. Technically, you could be accepted. Realistically, you won’t be. The main reason is that SAs don’t want to be seen as “poaching” from one another – the whole thing could quickly become very unseemly. A secondary/related reason is that every SA wants people to attend who actually want to be there and not those who see it as a jumping off spot for another SA; thus none of the SAs wants to encourage that approach. If you don’t like the SA you’re currently attending and want to attend another SA, you’re probably going to have to leave that SA and attend civilian college for a year while applying to the other SA(s). Not an easy process. Thus, you should never go to SA#1 with the hope or expectation that you can parlay that into four years at SA#2.

Prep school vs. college – which should I do?

USNA says college. There are some exceptions which include (but aren’t limited to): you need help with study skills or time management; your high school was terrible and didn’t prepare you well; you need to build independence and learn to live away from home. Going to prep school (including Foundation schools) as an unsponsored student believing this will increase your chances of admission is risky. View with skepticism the numbers prep schools tout in terms of SA admissions – be sure you’re looking at “self prep” numbers, not numbers that include “sponsored” prep students. A year at prep school is absolutely terrific for some and a total waste of time and money for others.

I’m in a huge lecture class at college and my prof doesn’t know me. Whom should I ask for teacher recommendations?

USNA prefers recommendations from your college profs as they are able to comment on college level work. However, if you’re in a huge lecture class (>100 students) where the prof doesn't know his/her students, USNA will accept recommendations from your senior year h.s. English and math teachers. If you have small sections in college math or English or you otherwise have gotten to know your prof, you should use your college prof. One side note – if you plan to use your college profs, remember there is no need for them to submit the rec early. However, you may want to tell your prof early in the semester that you will be asking for a rec so he/she can get to know you. If you plan to submit h.s. teacher recs, I suggest you ask for them early so that you are still fresh in their minds from the prior year.

What should I do during the summer after my senior year?

First, take couple weeks of vacation. You deserve it and probably need it. After that, do something that will improve your chances of being appointed next year, which basically means doing something productive. For many, this means work. USNA understands that candidates about to enter civilian college may need to get a job in order to help finance their education. That's perfectly fine and expected.

If you're lucky enough not to need a job, consider what you can do to improve yourself or the lives of others. Volunteer. Take an intensive language course. Participate in sports camps. Something other than hanging around the house or mall all summer.

People who are successful at USNA are those who like to keep busy – and summers at USNA are jam-packed. Thus, show USNA that you can do something useful with your free time.

A few other notes:

You will get a new candidate number and will need to resubmit everything to USNA (e.g., new letters of recommendation, new Candidate Activities Record). You need to retake the CFA. You do NOT need to redo your medical (DODMERB exam is good for 2 years) unless something in your medical situation has changed.

You will in all likelihood maintain your current district/state of residence, even when you go to college (mostly because you remain a dependent of your parents). In that case, you reapply to the same MOCs.

USNA has told BGOs that it is important for reapplicants to improve on ALL areas of their application -- grades, CFA, standardized tests and continued leadership. IOW, it's not enough simply to get As in the plebe courses -- you want to push yourself across the board.

Doing all the above is not a guarantee of an appointment. But, for those who remain determined, it's the best path.

Finally, the moment you receive a turndown, you tend to think that reapplying to USNA is the only answer. However, along that journey, many young men and women find that they really love their civilian school. Many open a new USNA application only to pull it weeks or months later.

The fact is that, much as you wanted to attend USNA, you may well find that “Plan B” turns out to be an exceptional Plan A and soon you can’t imagine being anywhere else. Embrace that! There are many paths to happiness and success in life – USNA is only one of them.

Reapplicants who do receive USNA appointments may still struggle with the decision whether to leave their civilian school, where they’ve had success, made friends, etc. I worked with one who loved her civilian school and wasn’t sure she wanted to “start over” at USNA. She ended up doing so, was extremely happy, and graduated from USNA in the top 50 of her class. However, it wasn’t an easy decision – and it may not be for you.

If the desire for USNA still burns, go for it. But, if the USNA flame is replaced by a love for your new school/life, be thrilled it’s worked out so well for you and celebrate your success.

Best of luck!
USNA1985- Thank you for this summary. My son applied to USNA last year (2020), was a very strong candidate (athletics,leadership, academics and scores are all very strong), had two nominations but was rejected for a minor color vision deficiency. He was also awared an NROTC scholarship- but it was rescinded due to color vision deficiency. He accepted a position at a very good 4 year engineering school and is currently a MechE major and a 4/c midshipman in the NROTC unit at that school (college program). He has reapplied to USNA in hopes of a medical waiver- he received a nomination and reccomendation from his NROTC CO and a nomination from his local congressman. He has done very well academically while taking 20 credits and devoting time to NROTC. He has also distinguished himself physicaly in his unit and has improved his last year's physical test score (he is a long distance runner). He has also participated in his student government as while at college. he is passionate about attending USNA and motivated to serve. He would be a third generation naval officer (his Uncle was USNA82 , Grandfather enlisted in 1949 while college - both were career Naval aviators and retired after 26+ years of service). He is aware of what this commitment implies.
So- the big question: Does he have a better chance of getting a waiver on the second try? Will his tenacity be noticed and considered? is there anything else that he can do?
 
@Nemo314

We got lucky - my son was granted the color blind waiver on the first time.

During CVW, admissions told me that if he didn’t get the waiver, he should reapply because he might get the waiver the second year. Chances of getting the waiver come down to how many candidates need it in any given year because they are limited to how many waivers they can give for color blindness.

So you can’t chance it.
 
USNA1985- Thank you for this summary. My son applied to USNA last year (2020), was a very strong candidate (athletics,leadership, academics and scores are all very strong), had two nominations but was rejected for a minor color vision deficiency. He was also awared an NROTC scholarship- but it was rescinded due to color vision deficiency. He accepted a position at a very good 4 year engineering school and is currently a MechE major and a 4/c midshipman in the NROTC unit at that school (college program). He has reapplied to USNA in hopes of a medical waiver- he received a nomination and reccomendation from his NROTC CO and a nomination from his local congressman. He has done very well academically while taking 20 credits and devoting time to NROTC. He has also distinguished himself physicaly in his unit and has improved his last year's physical test score (he is a long distance runner). He has also participated in his student government as while at college. he is passionate about attending USNA and motivated to serve. He would be a third generation naval officer (his Uncle was USNA82 , Grandfather enlisted in 1949 while college - both were career Naval aviators and retired after 26+ years of service). He is aware of what this commitment implies.
So- the big question: Does he have a better chance of getting a waiver on the second try? Will his tenacity be noticed and considered? is there anything else that he can do?
This is just my opinion... only my opinion.
Yes, family legacy of US military service matters. The admissions board needs to be aware of the family military legacy. Perhaps the personal essay(s) can provide glimpse of this legacy of military service. Maybe a letter (postage) to admissions can convey this information.
 
So- the big question: Does he have a better chance of getting a waiver on the second try? Will his tenacity be noticed and considered? is there anything else that he can do?
It's hard to tell if any candidate has a "better chance" the second try with a color blind waiver. Like any re-applicant, there is some benefit in showing the perseverance to try again, but the hard fact with waivers (and color blind in particular), is that it is all about numbers. USNA exists to develop Line Officers, and many Line Officer billets are restricted if color blind. USNA has a limited number of waivers for color blindness, making what is already a competitive process even more competitive.
 
Sorry, but legacy does not matter much, if at all. Historically, USNA gave candidates a very small bump if they came from a military family. However, it was very small -- not a game changer. The theory was that kids from military families were more likely to retain (not quit). Not sure that benefit happens today as candidates with no military background are doing extremely well and attrition is extremely low.

WRT waivers, they are reviewed every year. Color vision is easy to waive because there are no usually individualized decisions needed. It's to whom the waivers are granted. The challenge is the small number of waivers that are granted each year -- usually around a dozen. So, you not only have to earn an appointment, you have to be in the top dozen or so of those who have appointments who need a color vision waiver. Because the candidate pool changes every year, how a candidate needing a vision waiver stacks up against the competition could change.
 
Sorry, but legacy does not matter much, if at all. Historically, USNA gave candidates a very small bump if they came from a military family. However, it was very small -- not a game changer. The theory was that kids from military families were more likely to retain (not quit). Not sure that benefit happens today as candidates with no military background are doing extremely well and attrition is extremely low.

WRT waivers, they are reviewed every year. Color vision is easy to waive because there are no usually individualized decisions needed. It's to whom the waivers are granted. The challenge is the small number of waivers that are granted each year -- usually around a dozen. So, you not only have to earn an appointment, you have to be in the top dozen or so of those who have appointments who need a color vision waiver. Because the candidate pool changes every year, how a candidate needing a vision waiver stacks up against the competition could change.
From your notes above, “Historically, USNA gave candidates a very small bump if they came from a military family.”
This bump could be the ticket to an appointment or prep. Anything helps.
 
“Historically, USNA gave candidates a very small bump if they came from a military family.”
This bump could be the ticket to an appointment or prep. Anything helps.
Three words: Historically. Very small.

This isn't Harvard or any other highly competitive school where being a legacy (especially if parents contribute a lot of money) counts a lot. There are so many tales of kids of USNA grads who aren't appointed -- far more are turned down than appointed. And many cases of kids of admirals and generals who are turned down. If EVERYTHING were exactly the same, legacy might be the deciding factor. But everything is never the same for any two candidates.

Legacy candidates shouldn't comfort themselves with the belief that they have a "leg up" because they don't. Likewise, kids with no military in their families should not be concerned that this will hurt their chances because it won't.
 
Three words: Historically. Very small.

This isn't Harvard or any other highly competitive school where being a legacy (especially if parents contribute a lot of money) counts a lot. There are so many tales of kids of USNA grads who aren't appointed -- far more are turned down than appointed. And many cases of kids of admirals and generals who are turned down. If EVERYTHING were exactly the same, legacy might be the deciding factor. But everything is never the same for any two candidates.

Legacy candidates shouldn't comfort themselves with the belief that they have a "leg up" because they don't. Likewise, kids with no military in their families should not be concerned that this will hurt their chances because it won't.
There’s a news documentary about how USNA admissions vote for a candidate. One officer gave a no to a kid who cant spell; another one could not differentiate between navel and naval. With this level of scrutiny, I think military legacy should grab the attention of the officer (s).
 
There’s a news documentary about how USNA admissions vote for a candidate. One officer gave a no to a kid who cant spell; another one could not differentiate between navel and naval. With this level of scrutiny, I think military legacy should grab the attention of the officer (s).

It boils down to competition. If you think your competition will be a kid who can’t spell or differentiate an orange from their belly button ... not sure it’s needed anyway.

If you think it’s enough to overcome high 1500 SAT, valedictorians, three sport starting athletes, who maximize leadership, etc - I don’t think so, unless your WCS is close.

And ... you assume it’s not the military legacy candidate that misspelled the words!
 
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It boils down to competition. If you think your competition will be a kid who can’t spell or differentiate an orange from their belly button ... not sure it’s needed anyway.

If you think it’s enough to overcome high 1500 SAT, valedictorians, three sport starting athletes, who maximize leadership, etc - I don’t think so, unless your WCS is close.
Concur.
 
It boils down to competition. If you think your competition will be a kid who can’t spell or differentiate an orange from their belly button ... not sure it’s needed anyway.

If you think it’s enough to overcome high 1500 SAT, valedictorians, three sport starting athletes, who maximize leadership, etc - I don’t think so, unless your WCS is close.

And ... you assume it’s not the military legacy candidate that misspelled the words!
Or differentiating between an orange/belly button and relations to ships/navy...
 
There’s a news documentary about how USNA admissions vote for a candidate. One officer gave a no to a kid who cant spell; another one could not differentiate between navel and naval. With this level of scrutiny, I think military legacy should grab the attention of the officer (s).
Do you happen to have a link or more info on finding this documentary? I searched generally with no luck and I'd be very interested to see it.
 
Do you happen to have a link or more info on finding this documentary? I searched generally with no luck and I'd be very interested to see it.
I saw it in tv news (through YouTube) and newspaper print (through iPhone Safari search.
 
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