Recruited athlete in my district

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Someone in my district just got a football offer for USNA. Do recruited athletes still have to have a nomination? I guess my concern is that it will make it harder for myself (not a recruited athlete) to get in. I understand that I could still get a senatorial nomination but does this effectively kill my chances of getting a nomination from my representative?
 
My son had a football recruit applying for USNA. It didn’t affect him at all.

Yes, everyone needs a nomination.
 
Dump your question, or related key words, into the search bar and you will find lots and lots of discussion about your question. But the general answer, is that ‘everyone needs a nomination’. There are more nominating sources than only your state sources. So a recruited athlete may or may not pull from your state allotments. Really, there is no way to know. All you can do, is do you. Period.
 
justdoit19 said:
Dump your question, or related key words, into the search bar and you will find lots and lots of discussion about your question. But the general answer, is that ‘everyone needs a nomination’. There are more nominating sources than only your state sources. So a recruited athlete may or may not pull from your state allotments. Really, there is no way to know. All you can do, is do you. Period.
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Thanks for the input. I’m kind of confused on the whole process though. How did this kid get an offer if applications haven’t even opened yet?
 
Braves fan said:
Thanks for the input. I’m kind of confused on the whole process though. How did this kid get an offer if applications haven’t even opened yet?
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Hopefully he is a QB that can throw the ball!
 
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Braves fan said:
Thanks for the input. I’m kind of confused on the whole process though. How did this kid get an offer if applications haven’t even opened yet?
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Recruited athlete. That’s how. But know this: they STILL have to qualify. Clear medical. Obtain a nom. Etc. It is not an appointment. Until it’s an appointment. Perhaps that athlete is the coaches number one target. Who knows. But even at that, it’s not an appointment until it is This would be really early for an actual appointment.

Dump in “recruited athlete” in the search bar, and read as much as you want. And there is lots about recruitment/admissions that’s unknown and not clear to the general public.
 
An offer like that is not an appointment. Many, but not all, of the recruited athletes will go to the prep school first. They also have to complete at least on application for a nomination and get at least one nomination. Then still have to complete the application.

Several years ago I was told by a Navy coach (not a football coach) being a recruited athlete is worth about 2 points on the ACT. It is the general rule that 28's on the ACT are considered "competitive", so this coach would like to see 26's, unless they were being recruited by West Point, then possibly lower to poach from West Point, which I thought was funny.

I have to think Admissions knows how to charge appointments to the various nominating sources so the coaches get there recruits without eliminating a well qualified nominee from being offered an appointment from the same congressional district.
 
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justdoit19 said:
Recruited athlete. That’s how. But know this: they STILL have to qualify. Clear medical. Obtain a nom. Etc. It is not an appointment. Until it’s an appointment. Perhaps that athlete is the coaches number one target. Who knows. But even at that, it’s not an appointment until it is This would be really early for an actual appointment.

Dump in “recruited athlete” in the search bar, and read as much as you want. And there is lots about recruitment/admissions that’s unknown and not clear to the general public.
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So it sounds like it is not really an offer, but more of a “We want you and if you get an appointment you can play football here.”
 
Most important thing for you to is that only USNA knows to whom anyone’s nomination is charged. Hence, there’s no way of knowing whether someone else’s offer of appointment affects your potential of getting one. Each year, districts all over the country have multiple appointees (both recruited athletes and just “ordinary” folk such as yourself) who may be from the same area but whose nominations came from any number of sources.

There’s no point in worrying about it because it’s completely out of your control. What you can control is your own application package. So make it the best it can be, submit it on time, apply for all the nominations for which you qualify, then let USNA admissions and the MOCs’ committees do their work. If they really want you, they’ll make you an offer.

Also in your control is deeper knowledge of the whole process. On the USNA website, carefully review every page, tab, link and pulldown. Then read the very helpful “stickies” attached to the USNA forum above.
 
A rising senior at our son’s alma matter got a recruitment letter for track and field this past spring. He was not really familiar with USNA other than knowing my 2020 hs grad got in and accepted (not recruited).
I don’t think he is pursuing it. I don’t believe he will even open an application. It’s a really small town and school. I know his parents and offered any help they might need or want Re the process. Haven’t heard a peep.

Put your blinders on and take care of you and your very best application. Best CFA, practice interviewing with a tough panel, keep up your grades, good test scores. Things within your control.
IOW, do you. That’s all you can control.
 
Lots of older threads discuss being 'recruited' and what it does/doesn't mean. The fact someone talked with a coach is no guarantee they are being 'recruited' and is also no guarantee of eventually getting an appointment. Some in h.s. who are new to the process may brag about being offered an appointment since they are being recruited which may not be accurate. Everyone applying still needs to be 3Q and have a NOM from one of various source to be in the running for an appointment. You are competing for an appointment with everyone else who is applying and shouldn't overly focus on one other person over which you have no control. Even someone being recruited might eventually decide to go to college somewhere else.

Being recruited for an SA is different from a civilian college in many aspects. One obvious one is since no one pays any tuition/room/board at an SA, the incentive for being recruited is quite a bit different. If someone attends an SA and decides to stop playing the sport for which they were recruited, nothing about their status changes.
 
I recently saw an interview with a recruited football player who said to the media something like he choose ______ because it would look the best on his resume. How did he pass the nomination interview? Isn't that one point of the nomination interviews to screen applicants like that out?

With the schools accepting lower standardized testing scores from athletes, how do they succeed in the years after prep school when students with high scores and previous AP classes struggle?
 
I see a lot of athletes in "boutique" sports like water polo, lacrosse, squash and crew come through our district. The high quality recruit pool for those sports isn't as deep. There are some who already have LOAs by the time that they make their nomination application in the fall. Those tend to be the most successful in the process. I have seen others though who were in contact with coaches and end up being four year varsity starters struggle to get a nomination.

As others have said, focus on putting yourself in the best possible position to succeed. The rest will take care of itself and there's nothing that you can do to have an impact on it. Spend that energy on the positive, not the negative.
 
Braves fan said:
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So it sounds like it is not really an offer, but more of a “We want you and if you get an appointment you can play football here.”
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It’s a bit more than that.

The varsity coaches at any SA are recruiting against U of Michigan or Montana State, as much as they are recruiting against West Point.

Scholarship offers are being made to these kids. And a SA coach is trying to get that kid to turn that scholarship offer down.

A varsity coach that recruits a kid to come to a SA , while turning down other opportunities , better be pretty sure that kid can get in the SA. Or into the prep school.

Nothing is guaranteed especially at a SA but any coach making these offers and then finding they can’t get many of these kids in , that coach would IMO , be guilty of coaching malpractice.

And I’d sure suggest that none of my players would ever consider that coach at that SA. Because they can’t be trusted.

Somethings like a player getting in trouble or getting injured or failing the physical etc are far out of the coaches control.

But other than those things the coaches need to be pretty darn sure. If not direct then Prep School for sure.

I have sat thru a few SA coaching pitches to players to attend a SA.

what has never been said in any of those recruiting pitches——we may have a hard time getting you in.
 
lipton_hot_tea said:
I recently saw an interview with a recruited football player who said to the media something like he choose ______ because it would look the best on his resume. How did he pass the nomination interview? Isn't that one point of the nomination interviews to screen applicants like that out?

With the schools accepting lower standardized testing scores from athletes, how do they succeed in the years after prep school when students with high scores and previous AP classes struggle?
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I have wondered about the relationship of SAT scores and AP classes with being a military officer leading people while under enemy fire.

The USMC recon officers I had in VN were all varsity sports types of one sort or another.

I would assume that most of the USNA grads that were officers in my Bn had gone to prep. Because all that I knew of were former SA varsity players .

Those men are now USMC legends.

One NAPS grad , at least , in my Bn was awarded the MOH. I think two out of the four but I am not positive about the second.

I was told at one time that napsters do better overall than direct admits while attending the academy. I have no idea if that is true or not.

But in general they do well.
 
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Small Team Bacsi said:
I was told at one time that napsters do better overall than direct admits while attending the academy. I have no idea if that is true or not.
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I love my NAPSTER classmates but you've heard wrong if by "doing better", you mean higher graduation rate and higher grades. I haven't seen fresh data in a few years but NAPS has traditionally had a higher attrition rate than directs although it is still pretty low. Grades also tend to be lower as the "Academic Stars" tend to come in direct. NAPS grads tend to do better militarily especially during plebe summer/year.
 
lipton_hot_tea said:
I recently saw an interview with a recruited football player who said to the media something like he choose ______ because it would look the best on his resume. How did he pass the nomination interview? Isn't that one point of the nomination interviews to screen applicants like that out?
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Saying that during the nomination interview is not the same thing as to the media. Unless the nomination interview folks actually SEE the media piece, they will be going on what the candidate says during the nomination interview.



lipton_hot_tea said:
With the schools accepting lower standardized testing scores from athletes, how do they succeed in the years after prep school when students with high scores and previous AP classes struggle?
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Many athletes turn out to be very coachable (surprise!) and do well with tutoring/assistance. The athletic department watches this stuff and pushes the athletes into the get help zone faster than some mids do on their own. This is also true at the University where I teach as the Athletic dept contacts me several times per semester as they watch for issues before they become failures.
 
lipton_hot_tea said:
I recently saw an interview with a recruited football player who said to the media something like he choose ______ because it would look the best on his resume. How did he pass the nomination interview? Isn't that one point of the nomination interviews to screen applicants like that out?
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What's wrong with that?
 
Braves fan said:
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So it sounds like it is not really an offer, but more of a “We want you and if you get an appointment you can play football here.”
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An offer can't be extended until it's run by admissions first, so while this is technically correct, getting the appointment is mostly just a matter of finishing the administrative process. Has no effect on your prospects, though. It's not like they stop recruiting athletes from a district once they hit some limit or something.
 
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