Rejected from USNA: My Life 2 Years Later

DS Is commissioned USN Reserve but serves as Merchant Marine engineer on a USNS. She is a grand old LADY that CONSTITUTION. Anyone visiting Boston should take the tour. The Officers and Crew were fantastic. If you are over six feet do not stand up fast below deck. The families of those commissioned had the run of the ship with no tourists.
 
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@amjrivers I have a couple of questions about NROTC. If you go in as a non-scholarship mid, do you have to earn the scholarship by graduation in order to get a commission? Also, how hard is it to get a scholarship if you go in as a non-scholarship mid.

Thank you for taking the time to write about your own thoughts regarding NROTC. No matter if you go to USNA, do NROTC, go through OTS, or enlist in the Navy you will still have the common goal of defending the nation and making everyone around you better. You sound like a hard working person who will definitely succeed as an officer in the Navy.
Unless they do it differently in NROTC, there is no requirement to ever have a scholarship. My son didnt get one and many dont. In AFRotc, you have to be selected to continue on after Sophomore which didnt seem to be much of a hurdle in the last couple of years. I dont even think the advanced standing or whatever you call it is even guaranteed if you do have a scholarship but not sure. Dont get me wrong, I would have loved for him to get a scholarship but his major didnt qualify for one and it wasnt like he was a 4.0 student. On the other hand, we just found out he is tracking T-38 at UPT
 
@amjrivers I have a couple of questions about NROTC. If you go in as a non-scholarship mid, do you have to earn the scholarship by graduation in order to get a commission? Also, how hard is it to get a scholarship if you go in as a non-scholarship mid.

Thank you for taking the time to write about your own thoughts regarding NROTC. No matter if you go to USNA, do NROTC, go through OTS, or enlist in the Navy you will still have the common goal of defending the nation and making everyone around you better. You sound like a hard working person who will definitely succeed as an officer in the Navy.
Unless they do it differently in NROTC, there is no requirement to ever have a scholarship. My son didnt get one and many dont. In AFRotc, you have to be selected to continue on after Sophomore which didnt seem to be much of a hurdle in the last couple of years. I dont even think the advanced standing or whatever you call it is even guaranteed if you do have a scholarship but not sure. Dont get me wrong, I would have loved for him to get a scholarship but his major didnt qualify for one and it wasnt like he was a 4.0 student. On the other hand, we just found out he is tracking T-38 at UPT

I believe the Air Force has a similar program to what the Navy calls Advanced Standing. It isn't a scholarship but you do receive a stipend and a commission. I have always thought of this as a scholarship, however that label is a bit misleading.
 
@amjrivers I have a couple of questions about NROTC. If you go in as a non-scholarship mid, do you have to earn the scholarship by graduation in order to get a commission? Also, how hard is it to get a scholarship if you go in as a non-scholarship mid.

Thank you for taking the time to write about your own thoughts regarding NROTC. No matter if you go to USNA, do NROTC, go through OTS, or enlist in the Navy you will still have the common goal of defending the nation and making everyone around you better. You sound like a hard working person who will definitely succeed as an officer in the Navy.
Unless they do it differently in NROTC, there is no requirement to ever have a scholarship. My son didnt get one and many dont. In AFRotc, you have to be selected to continue on after Sophomore which didnt seem to be much of a hurdle in the last couple of years. I dont even think the advanced standing or whatever you call it is even guaranteed if you do have a scholarship but not sure. Dont get me wrong, I would have loved for him to get a scholarship but his major didnt qualify for one and it wasnt like he was a 4.0 student. On the other hand, we just found out he is tracking T-38 at UPT

I believe the Air Force has a similar program to what the Navy calls Advanced Standing. It isn't a scholarship but you do receive a stipend and a commission. I have always thought of this as a scholarship, however that label is a bit misleading.
Yes after the end of Sophomore year, they are invited to Field Training during the summer year and if they pass they get contracted when they go back Junior Year. Then they get the stipend . The trick is to get invited to Field Training. His whole detachment got invited for Field Training when it was his turn to go. They had 100% invitation the following year also. I dont know about his specific school, but i hear that last year, they were more selective and there were people who werent invited. From what they say, it wasnt that they were inviting less people to Field Training but rather the number of people who were in AF Rotc had increased, so even though they opened more Field Training spots, they didnt have enough space for everyone. Additionally, not everyone passes Field Training although the vast majority do
 
Thank you for your post. My DS just got his NROTC scholarship and we are so happy and relieved. I think he's happy too, (but still waiting to hear from USNA.) Best of luck to you!
 
Our DS is loving every minute of NROTC at UW-Madison. Good friends in the unit, excited by what they’re learning, and exploring lots of new activities. He made it through summer indoc training (loved parts, survived the rest), and can’t wait to be out in the fleet doing. He’s honestly a happy 4th class midshipman.
To be truthful, he is a reapp for USNA. Because he wants more Navy and could care less about the “college experience.” But decided he won’t reapply a 3rd time: he’d rather get out to the fleet. And he loves NROTC, it’s just not the 24/7 he would prefer.

As a parent, watching him pick his role models and develop into the man he wants to be, I am so pleased with the excellent officers mentoring and training his unit. Every tidbit we’ve gleaned has illustrated officers of great character. None of us have felt that this NROTC unit is some backwater posting. And DS has been exposed to real life career and life balancing choices faced by military personnel. Again, excellent experience.

DS is so happy in his Navy training! And he’s one of several midshipmen in the unit who’ve been awarded additional scholarships by the University on top of the NROTC awards. This unit, and the NROTC program, are obviously doing some very good things!
 
Our DS is loving every minute of NROTC at UW-Madison. Good friends in the unit, excited by what they’re learning, and exploring lots of new activities. He made it through summer indoc training (loved parts, survived the rest), and can’t wait to be out in the fleet doing. He’s honestly a happy 4th class midshipman.
To be truthful, he is a reapp for USNA. Because he wants more Navy and could care less about the “college experience.” But decided he won’t reapply a 3rd time: he’d rather get out to the fleet. And he loves NROTC, it’s just not the 24/7 he would prefer.

As a parent, watching him pick his role models and develop into the man he wants to be, I am so pleased with the excellent officers mentoring and training his unit. Every tidbit we’ve gleaned has illustrated officers of great character. None of us have felt that this NROTC unit is some backwater posting. And DS has been exposed to real life career and life balancing choices faced by military personnel. Again, excellent experience.

DS is so happy in his Navy training! And he’s one of several midshipmen in the unit who’ve been awarded additional scholarships by the University on top of the NROTC awards. This unit, and the NROTC program, are obviously doing some very good things!
Your son is very fortunate because UW Madison has an excellent CO who is a fine Surface Warfare Officer and role model to his staff as well as his midshipmen.
 
As a reminder you can apply to a service academy every year that you're between the ages of 17 & must not have passed your 23rd birthday on July 1 of the year of admission. Math is hard:confused: but that's 3 more times during college & SA Admissions looks favorably on repeat applicants. Congrats to you & good luck to all those waiting.

https://www.usna.edu/BlueAndGoldBook/admissions.php
 
Your son is very fortunate because UW Madison has an excellent CO who is a fine Surface Warfare Officer and role model to his staff as well as his midshipmen.

You must be right! Everything our DS is experiencing points to excellence from the top down. Nice to hear it from another source!!
 
DISCLAIMER: The opinions I am expressing are my own and do not reflect the opinions of UNC Naval ROTC, the Navy/Marine Corps, etc. My intention IS NOT to disparage the Naval Academy, nor is it to convince anybody to decide one way or another. The purpose of this post is to share MY personal testimony, in hopes that somebody might learn from it.


Almost two years ago, I was in the same place as many of the students who are currently applying to the Naval Academy. Constantly checking my emails, I feared my decision would never come. Finally, on March 29th, 2017, I received my rejection notification. I was crushed, and I did not want to UNC, my backup school. My intense disappointment did not last long, as I remembered all of the good memories I had as a child visiting Chapel Hill and realized that I would be able to have other opportunities that the Naval Academy could not provide. Not so secretly, if given the chance I would have gone to the Naval Academy in a heartbeat right up until the first day of new student orientation for NROTC. Over a year later, I couldn’t be happier with how things turned out. I am still just as excited about my future Navy career and I am enjoying everything that Chapel Hill, UNC, and NROTC has to offer.

As we enter the time during which most appointments are given out, I encourage everyone considering the Naval Academy to also consider ROTC. Too often, applicants to the Naval Academy either believe that they will get in and look down on ROTC or have no idea what ROTC is. For example, my best friend is desperately trying to earn a scholarship so that he can commission when he graduates. He, too, applied to the Naval Academy believing that he would get in and did not. Many of my friends who also applied to the academy but did not apply for the ROTC scholarship have since dropped the program for various reasons. At the heart of nearly all of their decisions have been their belief (or the reality) that they would not get a scholarship. I hope that nobody ever has this experience ever again.

I will conclude my testimony, as any self-respecting Tar Heel should, with the best possible endorsement I can give the school I have grown to know and love. I began my college experience thinking I would end up in cybersecurity. I liked computers and programming but I did not love it, as I would later find out. I am now a Russian major and am well on my way to becoming fluent, something I did not think I would ever do. I could go on about how I discovered a passion for Photoshop through my group of friends, or how I have learned how to use a 3D printer and a laser cutter. As those who know me well know, I cannot talk about my college life without talking about my job working in a kitchen at a sorority house. All of these things have made me into the person I am today and I am incredibly thankful for each and every moment that I have had at UNC.

If you have any questions about the decision process between the Naval Academy and NROTC, ROTC life, UNC Chapel Hill, the LREC program, or the NROTC scholarship application, feel free to PM me and I will help you in any way I can.

Once again, I wish all of those who are still waiting good luck and I congratulate those who have already gotten appointments. To those of you who weren’t so lucky, keep your head up and don’t give up on a career in the Navy. There are plenty of ways to get to where you want to go. It’s up to you to decide which path you take.
Excellent example of why candidates usually end up where they're supposed to be. While it's hard to understand that at the time, it usually works out. NROTC is a fine program that produces exceptional officers every year. Congrats to you and future NROTC scholarship recipients.
 
amjrivers -

Thank you so much for the thoughtful post. I sure hope your experience inspires other who may not get into a SA but still want to serve as an officer in the military to know that there are other options and that ROTC is an awesome avenue to pursue. Thank you again!

James
 
Our DS is loving every minute of NROTC at UW-Madison. Good friends in the unit, excited by what they’re learning, and exploring lots of new activities. He made it through summer indoc training (loved parts, survived the rest), and can’t wait to be out in the fleet doing. He’s honestly a happy 4th class midshipman.
To be truthful, he is a reapp for USNA. Because he wants more Navy and could care less about the “college experience.” But decided he won’t reapply a 3rd time: he’d rather get out to the fleet. And he loves NROTC, it’s just not the 24/7 he would prefer.

As a parent, watching him pick his role models and develop into the man he wants to be, I am so pleased with the excellent officers mentoring and training his unit. Every tidbit we’ve gleaned has illustrated officers of great character. None of us have felt that this NROTC unit is some backwater posting. And DS has been exposed to real life career and life balancing choices faced by military personnel. Again, excellent experience.

DS is so happy in his Navy training! And he’s one of several midshipmen in the unit who’ve been awarded additional scholarships by the University on top of the NROTC awards. This unit, and the NROTC program, are obviously doing some very good things!

UW-Madison: Good Public University with excellent Grad Programs. AND UW-Madison has "TA-DA JUMP AROUND"; one of the great college football traditions. It googles well; find the one shot by a visiting ASU alum, even the Arizona players are dancing). I think they even include it as part of their graduation program. All they have at USNA is a cannon and a frightened kid in a bear costume clutching a plastic shark.

Congrats to your son, and well done Mom. I visit this site to read posts like yours, thank you.
 
As a reminder you can apply to a service academy every year that you're between the ages of 17 & must not have passed your 23rd birthday on July 1 of the year of admission. Math is hard:confused: but that's 3 more times during college & SA Admissions looks favorably on repeat applicants. Congrats to you & good luck to all those waiting.

Of course, you CAN reapply 4-5 times, and there are alot of stories how the 3rd time is charm...but keep in mind a few things :

1) You should always do an honest appraisal of whether you are competitive. Ask your RC and/or BGO (after an Admissions cycle, not during), there is no sense in continuing to reapply if you really aren't competitive.

2) At some point, the benefits of starting over and attending USNA really aren't worth it, particularly if you are in a good NROTC unit. It is an individual decision on what's "worth it" , but keep in mind that each year that you repeat is that much longer for you to reach the ultimate goal --the FLEET. Remember that a NROTC and USNA Ensign are interchangeable in the Fleet, and if you repeat two years, you could have been a LTJG around the time that put on Ensign from USNA.
 
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