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Sup guys
Today I got rejected from WP. I'm disappointed but I had a feeling it would happen. However I am not going to give up and I will attend college in the fall and reapply. I opened my new file today for class of 26'. What can I really do between now and August (besides the usual doing well in class, exercise, SAT Prep) to get ahead? Also, what components of my previous application carry over? (medical exams, SOEs, Candidate Statements) Thank you.
 
Hoppy said:
Sup guys
Today I got rejected from WP. I'm disappointed but I had a feeling it would happen. However I am not going to give up and I will attend college in the fall and reapply. I opened my new file today for class of 26'. What can I really do between now and August (besides the usual doing well in class, exercise, SAT Prep) to get ahead? Also, what components of my previous application carry over? (medical exams, SOEs, Candidate Statements) Thank you.
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I like the attitude. First thing is to take a step back and reflect on your application and try and develop a plan of attack to address where you fell short. I wouldn't worry about what parts carry over because you were not selected, so focus on a fresh start. (DoDMERB is good for 2 years I think).

This forum is filled with threads with stats on people that earned appointments. Read them and figure out where you may have come up short. You have plenty of time, so don't rush into the application.

Good luck and I admire you wanting to take another shot at WP!
 
Hoppy said:
Sup guys
Today I got rejected from WP. I'm disappointed but I had a feeling it would happen. However I am not going to give up and I will attend college in the fall and reapply. I opened my new file today for class of 26'. What can I really do between now and August (besides the usual doing well in class, exercise, SAT Prep) to get ahead? Also, what components of my previous application carry over? (medical exams, SOEs, Candidate Statements) Thank you.
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Join ROTC and take courses that mimic a Plebe schedule: English Composition, STEM Math, STEM Physics/Chemistry. Obviously you have to meet the requirements for you major and may not be able to completely take a Plebe schedule, but good grades in these courses will impress the academic board.

Many Cadets get appointed from college after being rejected in high school. USMA looks very favorably upon reapplicants. The added maturity is a factor and grades in college courses are much better indicators of academic potential for USMA than high school courses.

Contact your RC and get feedback on what areas you need to improve. This is the admissions officer who calculated your WCS score this year (and will probably do so next year) and knows exactly what you need to improve.
 
jl123 said:
Join ROTC and take courses that mimic a Plebe schedule: English Composition, STEM Math, STEM Physics/Chemistry. Obviously you have to meet the requirements for you major and may not be able to completely take a Plebe schedule, but good grades in these courses will impress the academic board.

Many Cadets get appointed from college after being rejected in high school. USMA looks very favorably upon reapplicants. The added maturity is a factor and grades in college courses are much better indicators of academic potential for USMA than high school courses.

Contact your RC and get feedback on what areas you need to improve. This is the admissions officer who calculated your WCS score this year (and will probably do so next year) and knows exactly what you need to improve.
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I have emailed him a lot... he never responds to me🤣
 
Hoppy said:
Did not know that. Will do!
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As already suggested...delve into “reapplicant advice”. Both here and on the websites. A couple things that will impact your application, will be succeeding in a first year academic schedule that mimics a cadets/plebes first year. And doing well in an ROTC program. Being a leader there will get you an additional nominating source. Be the person leadership wants to recommend!

And keep the PMA...it will carry you along well in life. Obvi tend to the physical piece as well.
 
Hoppy said:
My sat wasn't good enough and neither was my cfa. Not by a large margin but everybody knows how competitive this school is and I simply need to do better.
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It really depends on your district. If you're from a non competitive district, relatively lower standardized test score could be good enough to get you in with a Pnom. On the flip side, you could have really competitive score and not get an appointment just because your file is not strong "enough" compared to your competitors to gain admission in your area. Remember, unlike ROTC scholarship selection or top tier civilian school admissions, academy admissions are more regional based competitions unless you're one of those 150 who get accepted from the NWL. Around 450 to 500 are MOC slot winners of their district/state.
 
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I really respect the get back on the horse attitude. Kudos to you for sure. Possibly, if you don’t get an email from tour RC reach out to admissions (possibly after May 1 when they aren’t so busy) and ask for an honest appraisal of your application.
Make sure you take a plebe like schedule and excel. Make efforts to create authentic relationships with your college instructors. They will have to evaluate you.
While ROTC can be an additional source of nomination, don’t forget to apply to ALL sources of nomination available to you.

Our DS’s roomie at SA is a college reapplicatant. He brings maturity, wisdom, time management and real adult life experience to the table.
I wish you luck and hope you can bring those skills and assets to West Point next year.
 
There are a lot of great paths.... You might want to also look at:

Marion Military Institute

Marion, Alabama

Marionmilitary.edu

Marion offers a SAP (service academy preparatory program) which has a very high rate at acquiring nominations for students. Catch is only that the Service Academy does not award college credit for the hours earned (true for every MJC). As an aside, Marion also offers a ECP (Early Commissioning Program) that allows students to earn a commission at the end of their sophomore year at Marion.

Lots of famous alums including Dwight Stone (NFL Player), Bernard Ford (NFL Player), Robert Hogaboom (former Chief of Staff US Marine Corps), and Stuart Parker (former CEO USAA).

ROTC Scholarships available.

New Mexico Military Institute

Roswell, New Mexico

Nmmi.edu

NMMI offers a SAP (service academy preparatory program) which has a very high rate at acquiring nominations for students. Catch is only that the Service Academy does not award college credit for the hours earned (true for every MJC). As an aside, NMMI also offers a ECP (Early Commissioning Program) that allows students to earn a commission at the end of their sophomore year at NMMI.

Lots of famous alums including Roger Staubach (NFL), Sam Donaldson (ABC), Owen Wilson (Actor), and Conrad Hilton (Founder of Hilton Hotels).

ROTC Scholarships available.
 
JDCUBE said:
There are a lot of great paths.... You might want to also look at:

Marion Military Institute

Marion, Alabama

Marionmilitary.edu

Marion offers a SAP (service academy preparatory program) which has a very high rate at acquiring nominations for students. Catch is only that the Service Academy does not award college credit for the hours earned (true for every MJC). As an aside, Marion also offers a ECP (Early Commissioning Program) that allows students to earn a commission at the end of their sophomore year at Marion.

Lots of famous alums including Dwight Stone (NFL Player), Bernard Ford (NFL Player), Robert Hogaboom (former Chief of Staff US Marine Corps), and Stuart Parker (former CEO USAA).

ROTC Scholarships available.

New Mexico Military Institute

Roswell, New Mexico

Nmmi.edu

NMMI offers a SAP (service academy preparatory program) which has a very high rate at acquiring nominations for students. Catch is only that the Service Academy does not award college credit for the hours earned (true for every MJC). As an aside, NMMI also offers a ECP (Early Commissioning Program) that allows students to earn a commission at the end of their sophomore year at NMMI.

Lots of famous alums including Roger Staubach (NFL), Sam Donaldson (ABC), Owen Wilson (Actor), and Conrad Hilton (Founder of Hilton Hotels).

ROTC Scholarships available.
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Last cycle our DS met two candidates in his district who were USNA applicants. They were siblings. One direct and one from NMMI. The one at NMMI did their MOC interview via video chat. The talk from the parent about NMMI and their kiddos experience there were so positive. The parent felt without NMMI their son or daughter would not have been prepared or had the shot at admission. Things to ponder and research.
 
Hoppy said:
Sup guys
Today I got rejected from WP. I'm disappointed but I had a feeling it would happen. However I am not going to give up and I will attend college in the fall and reapply. I opened my new file today for class of 26'. What can I really do between now and August (besides the usual doing well in class, exercise, SAT Prep) to get ahead? Also, what components of my previous application carry over? (medical exams, SOEs, Candidate Statements) Thank you.
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Would you be able to provide any stats? Stats give great insight into what you can improve!
 
This is the attitude that I am striving for. I am sure that you will achieve your goals in the future with this mindset. Also, after reading this, I felt motivated to trying harder, thank you.
 
professorm804 said:
Would you be able to provide any stats? Stats give great insight into what you can improve!
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Actually this is the component that no one can speak to. Even if the OP gave you his or her resume and data, their test scores, you wouldn’t know what his teachers stated in evaluations. You wouldn’t see his or her essays. You couldn’t possibly see the results of their FFO interviews or their panel notes from potentially multiple nomination interviews.
What you can do is worry about you. Make your best effort at your application. Nail it. Max your CFA, complete all components of the application with quality and do it early. Stay in your lane and control what you can. You cannot control who is on your slate. Control the quality and strength of your application.
 
_JLee21 said:
This is the attitude that I am striving for. I am sure that you will achieve your goals in the future with this mindset. Also, after reading this, I felt motivated to trying harder, thank you.
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Thanks! Let's go!!
 
My DS went to MMI last year.

Marion Military Institute has a good track record with USMA and the director of the program has very close connections with WP. MMI has about a 50% acceptance rate and there are minimum requirements to get in their Service Academy Program. (This is good though because MMI won't take you in their SAP program if they don't think you have a chance of getting in a service academy so it can help you make a decision regarding your next step.) MMI does offer scholarships to any student who meets ACT/SAT minimum scores. This can reduce tuition by 50% - 75%.

They offered full day, Saturday, SAT/ACT prep classes which I heard were loads of fun after being in classes all week! The students take 5, college credit, classes and military training and there are a whole lot of rules to follow!

MMI also has many students who are AOG scholarship students for WP. These are students who didn't get in WP but the Association of Graduates grant them a full tuition scholarship to a civil prep school. There are students at MMI with these types of scholarships from all the service academies - about 50% of students at MMI are students with these scholarships from service academies. These students, unless they mess up terribly, will get in their service academy. The other students, which is what you would be, are considered "self-sponsored" and have to work a whole lot harder. To be competitive to get accepted SAP self-sponsored students need over s 3.5 GPA.

Lastly MMI's rate of acceptance to a service academy for "self - sponsored" students was about 60% last year which is a whole lot better than the overall 10% acceptance rate that prep-scholar publishes for WP.

And ... my DS went there and worked hard, really hard. The courses were difficult and they didn't dumb them down or ease the students into them -plus there was physical training at 5:40 in the morning. He did well and heard from WP a few weeks ago - He will be in the class of 2025.

Having a second chance is an amazing opportunity but it takes dedication and a lot of work. That said, I am sure that anyone who goes to MMI and then to a service academy is significantly more prepared than a student coming right out of high school. I'd go as far as to say anyone who goes to MMI will be more prepared for whatever they do next!
 
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