Revoke my security clearance, too, Mr. President: Admiral McRaven

If Brennan knows something that makes Trump unfit to serve he should report that to the DOJ. He should otherwise STFU.

Mcraven's statement is very clear on the issue of President Trump's fitness for office. Should he also STFU? I'd love to be there when you tell tell him that.
I haven't seen the admiral on TV every night as a paid commentator stating that Trump is unfit to serve. As I said, Brennan should report what he knows to the proper agency.

Why would you love to be there when I tell McRaven to shut up?
 
That's interesting, current rules are that a clearance is "Generally' good for 2 years after separation unless the reexamination expires before the 2 year period. Of course the caveat is "generally". I know when I moved from the service to the private sector I had about a year left. I did need to go through a short reexamination process but it didn't take the time frame you referenced. The difference may have been that I went to another Government Agency, not a contractor and this was years ago.

I do however agree that it's not always that easy depending on the type of clearance they had and the level they need at their new position.
True, going into another government agency has different rules. Clearance level also plays a big part. A basic DoD secret clearance is almost a given. Anything beyond that, especially SAP is a whole other ballgame
 
Presidents and have brought prior presidents and cabinet members back to DC to consult on various critical situations. This cannot happen unless the prior office holder maintains his or her security clearance.

In more civil times, political party did not pose any obstacle.

An example: Ike providing advice to JFK following the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961.

It depends on, but I doubt any discussions at that level required classified information.

I doubt Ike needed any classified information to give his advice JFK (i.e JFK I can’t give you any advice unless you tell me all the details about what happened). Since President has the ultimate authority on classification and granting clearance, President can tell whatever he wants to anyone. Are you saying President is not going to consult with someone because he or she doesn’t have a clearance.

DA G2 FAQ mentions that an active general officer can grant retired general officers clearances for support/consultation. But I don’t know about retired senior intelligence officials.
 
Also, Admiral McRaven's contemptuous comments are punishable under Art. 2 and Art. 88 of the UCMJ.

Yes, I know he is retired.
 
"Brennan became deputy executive director of the CIA in March 2001. He was director of the newly created Terrorist Threat Integration Center from 2003 to 2004, an office that sifted through and compiled information for President Bush's daily top secret intelligence briefings and employed the services of analysts from a dozen U.S. agencies and entities" (from wikipedia)

Was Brennan the one who told George W. Bush the Iraqi's had weapons of Mass Destruction?
 
Was Brennan the one who told George W. Bush the Iraqi's had weapons of Mass Destruction?

It was George Tenet who told 43 that is was a "slam dunk".

It was Italian special services that provided the intelligence about Iraqi purchases of Nigerien yellow cake.

It was Paul Wolfowitz's college buddy, Ahmed Chalabi, who provided the evidence Sec of State Powell presented to the UN and the world--the same Ahmed Chalabi who the US later cut off after it as determined he was providing intel to the Iranians. Remember Chalabi's source, "Curveball"?

Who can forget Cheney's, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud".
 
Why should any retired government and military official retain a security clearance and get access to classified information if they are not performing duties that require a clearance?

Retaining your clearance is common, not just with high level intelligence people. as an officer every one of your son's and daughters will have at least a Secret Clearance. Many depending on their job or branch will have a higher clearance. For many this is one of the draws of branching MI, getting the Top Secret Clearance. Once they decide to leave the service the clearance does not just disappear, it goes with them, it's one of the things that makes them attractive to employers that require a clearance, the employer does not need to pay the ten's of thousands of dollars for a clearance they already have. Even if they are not hired by a firm that requires a clearance they still have it until it times out.

One of the main reasons it's good for these top intel people to retain their clearance is so they can be tapped for their experience by the new intel leadership. When new intel people come on board they do not have much info other then what they are briefed on, they need the former intel officers input as they get up to speed. If former intel were to lose their clearances as soon as they left their office they would not be of any use to the current intel officers and a lot of valuable information would be locked away. A security clearance and the First Amendment are not mutually exclusive.

If they followed your thinking then not only intel officers would leave with no clearance, every member of the military would lose theirs as well, none of our kids would be very happy if that happened.
I did not say that people with clearances should have them revoked immediately. Retaining a clearance that will be used for work that requires a clearance makes sense. However, the clearance should be revoked after a defined period unless the person is engaged in work that requires a clearance. The CIA reviews clearances every 5 years.

Retaining a clearance for years while working in a field that does not require a clearance is unsound security protocol. If an intel, or any other officer, chooses to work outside of classified work after separation, they should retain their clearance for a reasonable, specified period of time - but not indefinitely.
 
Brennan voted for the Communist Party candidate for President (of the United States of America!) in 1976. Maybe he should have never been given a clearance in the first place. Leopards, spots, something like that. Or maybe Spenser Rapone will be DNI someday.

C'mon, Sledge. That was a protest vote from a young man who was ticked off at the entire system after Watergate, and you know it. So do you now think Admiral McRaven is a commie by endorsing Brennan?

source:
https://www.politifact.com/florida/...was-john-brennan-once-member-communist-party/

I agree with @Sledge . How could anyone, under any circumstances vote Communist after witnessing the devastation of Communism in Japan.

https://www.thewrap.com/fox-friends-co-host-remembers-u-s-defeat-of-communist-japan-in-world

It's like voting Nazi after the Alamo.
I'll be sure to start tuning into Fox & Friends for my news and information now!
 
I read the little book Make Your Bed by the esteemed Admiral McRaven. It was nice reading out by the pool. He seems like a good guy.
Maybe the success of the book has given him the idea that he could run for President?
This would be a good start - if he's a Democrat - I suppose.

I also read Eric Greitens' The Heart and the Fist. That was a good one too, except for the fact that a guy who seemingly led a charmed life
screwed up in so many ways as Governor. I don't get it.

This is just a stream of consciousness post I guess. Read both books. They are good ! :)
 
I read the little book Make Your Bed by the esteemed Admiral McRaven. It was nice reading out by the pool. He seems like a good guy.
Maybe the success of the book has given him the idea that he could run for President?
This would be a good start - if he's a Democrat - I suppose.

Bill McRaven running for office is highly unlikely.

He has leukemia which is why he resigned as Chancellor of UT.

Source:
https://www.statesman.com/news/loca...cording-media-reports/w8UsHxetSG5wrNKptQ6ajI/
 
Man, that's a bummer.
 
My son is at UPT right now and he was told that his clearance would be redone in five years. How that relates I dont know but at least for him, they will re-exam him in five years
I hope he kept his original SF86. He will have to completely fill it out again in 5 - 6 years to continue his clearance.
With my son, i doubt it.
 
A clearance is an administrative action. Interviews, background checks, polygraph. Pass and my next door neighbor gets a clearance. She's actually a great neighbor and works in counter intelligence. A neighbor down the street is a big wig at ICE. He's not a Trump guy but goes in every day doing his job. Brennan is a liar and mouth piece for the anti Trump crowd. I heavily disagree with the president's big mouth. Looking beyond that I have hope in the People of this country to always come out on top. By the people, for the people. This country is ours and not Trump's or the admiral's or Brennan's.
 
@AROTC-dad, I "liked" your post above - not because Bill McRaven has leukemia - but because I was thanking you for the information.
Didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea here.
I don't agree with the guy, but I wouldn't wish anything bad for him.
 
People can disagree with the President, but it seems odd to call Mr. Brennan "a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don't know him" after he had to publicly apologize for the CIA spying on a Senate investigation and then lying about it to the media, and spreading false information about civilian casualties in drone strikes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...brennan/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.86de3e6961dd
 
Also, Admiral McRaven's contemptuous comments are punishable under Art. 2 and Art. 88 of the UCMJ.

Yes, I know he is retired.

That would be a memorable court martial proceeding. Who would convene it? Three individuals with the authority to do so are President Trump, Secretary of Defense Mattis, and Navy Secretary Spencer. Would President Trump fire Mattis and Spencer when they refuse to do so? Perhaps he would call for their court martial for refusing his order. Who would sit on the panel? Fox News generals?

Although McRaven's letter was electrifying, whether he showed contempt for the President is questionable. He did say Pres. Trump has not met the requirements to be considered a good leader and he did say the President had embarrassed us in front of our children. (Did you hear his address to the Boy Scouts, by the way? "...Ah, you know life..."). He also said he was praying for the President. However, he did not call the President a contemptible cur.
 
"Who would convene it?" Good question but moot. Trump said he does't know the admiral.
 
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