Service Assignment Odds

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  1. dotan

    dotan New Member

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    What are the chances of getting your last preference (SWO) for service assignment for the class of 2019? Any insight is appreciated.
     
  2. Capt MJ

    Capt MJ 10-Year Member

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    It all depends what you put for your first few choices, and how you stand in competition for those against others wanting the same thing.

    The stats are usually published each year, and I think the majority of mids get either their #1 or #2 choice.

    It will also depend how many seats in each community the Navy and Marines want filled from USNA and other sources in FY19.

    One certain thing, the needs of the Navy and Marine Corps will drive all, as always.
     
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    usna1985 10-Year Member

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    It's really a matter of your situation (class standing, how well you did in your 1/C summer program, etc.) and how wisely you chose. For example, if you are a PT stud, killed Leatherneck and have good recs from USMC officers at USNA and pick USMC . . . good chance. If you are nailing STEM courses and picked nuke -- good choice. Conversely, if you're a humanities major who struggled in STEM classes, and then selected nuke as a first choice . . . not wise. Ditto if you bombed Leatherneck, struggle with the PRT, and picked USMC.

    Usually ~95% get their first choice and nearly everyone gets first or second. Thus, if SWO was 3rd choice and beyond, chances are you won't be a SWO. However, as CAPT MJ points out, needs of the Navy always come first.
     
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  4. dotan

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    More info: Aero major 2.7 CQPR, 1st choice Navy pilot, 2nd choice Navy NFO, 3rd choice subs, 4th choice nuke swo, 5th choice swo. 1/C summer training was aviation internship at the test pilot school in Pax River. Showed interest throughout the 4 years for aviation through countless ECA's and had 3 aviation interviews. ASTB scores are 7/7/6. Did not do aviation cruise due to leatherneck. OOM isn't the best, but not anchorman.
     
  5. NavyHoops

    NavyHoops Super Moderator 5-Year Member

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    None of us know, but if I had to guess you will get pilot or NFO. I would say since you are aero and have nuke above the others... you have as close to zero as one can get to SWO. Good luck. I know you find out in a few short weeks. Let us know how it turns out!
     
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    Sounds like you are a current Midshipman ...closest to the source of the Gouge and your are asking a group of parents and old Grads ?
    I'm sure you have heard the statistics .... I heard the 'Dant a few months ago and he indicated that almost all get their 1st of 2nd choices , he gave one example of a person who dropped down to third choice (my recollection was it was some crazy scenario like a Bull major with low GPA asking for 1) Nuke Submarine and 2) Nuke SWO.)

    The Service "Assignment" process is alot different than Service "selection" was back in the day. Back then it was based (almost) purely on Order of Merit, and could sometimes yield some bad results ( I had a squad leader when I was a Plebe that went Marine Corps purely so he could fly - I have always wondered if he got chewed up and spit out of TBS because the guy had ZERO military bearing). Yours is a situation where the Assignment process should work in your favor .. you've done all the right things to qualify for Aviation. Best of Luck.
     
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  7. puzzled

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    one 1/C at my battalion this year put SWO as his first, and pilot as his second and got Pilot. So, I wouldn't be worried.
     
  8. THParent

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    The scuttlebutt says that there is some sub-drafting going on this year.
    Take that with a grain of salt, but you may want to practice getting comfortable in small spaces for months at a time.

    Or better yet, read @Old Navy BGO post above. ;)
     
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    NavyHoops Super Moderator 5-Year Member

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    Is it really scuttlebutt if the rumor happens every year?
     
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    I’m not a military guy but I was at a career fair at a major engineering school last month and talked with the Navy recruiters manning their booth. They were there to find takers for a program for juniors an seniors that would lead to OCS (or similar) after graduation in exchange for scholarship and stipend. They specifically were recruiting for subs - looking for ME, EE, and ChemE. FWIW
     
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    NavyHoops Super Moderator 5-Year Member

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    Sounds like the NUPOC program. Great program if someone is interested in the Navy and didn’t pursue ROTC. Probably more than anything the money and guaranteed job are the selling points to these students.
     
  12. Sydney C.

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    There was indeed a sub draft this year. Can't say how many got drafted but I believe it's over now....I know a couple of those that were "selected"...a bit salty at first but have come to embrace since they were informed.
     
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    Subs is usually the one that has more open spots than people who want them. Last year (class of '18) was an exception and there was no sub draft.
    For '18, there was actually a SWO draft, but the people sent SWO (who didn't pick it first) mostly came from those who picked SWO NUKE as first choice.

    Class of '17 was more typical.
    86% got first choice
    9% got second choice
    2% got third
    >1 forth
    >1 fifth
    >1 sixth

    Also for '17, USMC came up 40 people short, but USMC does not draft those who do not pick Marines 1st choice.

    Also, for '17, there were 74 mids who went to SARB (service assignment review board). If you get sent to the board, you are not likely getting your first choice.
    Of those 74, 40 got Subs, 19 got SWO Nuke
    Of the 40 that got Subs, they came from 8 SWO, 14 Pilot, 15 USMC, 2 NFO, 1 CW
    Of the 19 that got SWO Nuke, they came from 8 SWO, 7 Pilot, 4 USMC

    For OP - the metrics used to rank aviation candidates are:
    OOM - 50%
    Aviation Points - 35%
    ATSB score - 15%
    It is very possible that you could be ranked very high on the list, based on these metrics, but then be found "qualified" for Subs or SWO Nuke and be sent to SARB.

    *Aviation points are awarded for aviation related activities and qualifications, ie. private pilot license, certified instructor, powered flight summer training, etc. etc.
     
  14. Nemo567

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    That's not true. '18 was actually short SWO Nukes and Marine Pilots.

    They made up the SWO Nukes mostly by taking mids who tried to select regular SWO or SWO option. They made up Marine pilots by taking mids who tried to select Marine ground and through "volunteers" they convinced to change their service selection preferences.
     
  15. Devil Doc

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    Surface line, mighty fine.

    Go SWO.

    A guaranteed two hours sleep in a 48 hour period is only a myth.

    Stay awake in the straights.
     
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  16. Capt MJ

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    Yep, that’s a little known path. We just had a recent thread on that, and the NUPOC path has been mentioned often here on SAF.

    The Navy shops for its nuclear officers, as well as other officers, at USNA and NROTC and fills out the shopping list with these other programs, recruiting directly from universities for those who had never thought about a military career. It’s how I was found for OCS in the last century... the Navy came looking for me. Those officer recruiters are looking for strong STEM backgrounds and top college performance, leadership cred, fit and healthy people, who realize, hey, I was not aware of this Navy Officer career path and benefits, sign me up!
     
  17. A6E Dad

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    Nemo 567 - you are correct

    I meant to say SWO Options.

    SWO Nuke had 25 1st choice requests, and 38 open spots
    SWO Options had 26 1st choice requests and 19 open spots

    SWO had 188 1st choice requests, and 192 open spots - and most of the SWO options had SWO as 2nd choice
     
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    I'm not sure why you thought that anybody on here would have a better idea than anybody at the Academy.

    FWIW, they usually have a pretty hard time getting NFOs, to the point where sometimes people pick it to "protect" themselves from the sub draft. If you've got it second, I would not be surprised if AT LEAST you ended up with NFO.

    I have seen some pretty low OOM people get pilot (like 800s). You've got a lot of ECA/Summer trainings for aviation and you didn't punt the ASTB, so as long as the nuclear navy doesn't come calling (Still a very real possibility), I'd be surprised if you didn't end up in Naval Aviation. Unless, of course, you've pissed a senior aviator off enough that s/he remembers your name and ensures that you don't enter their community.

    I graduated last year for your reference.

    They never actually fully "made up" Marine Pilots for my class. You'll see this if you compare the total USMC commissions for '18 to those of previous years. They commissioned about 30 fewer Marines than normal. They got a few people by trying to switch some ground guys, and otherwise generally taking anybody that had a passing ASTB and PFT. Didn't go to Leatherneck? No problem. Got "Not recommended for Commission into the Marine Corps" at Leatherneck? Meh, we need bodies. Showed 0 interest in the Marines previously but are concerned you can't get Navy Pilot? We'll take you.

    But, for all of that, they did not force one person to be a Marine that didn't really want to.
     
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    As it should be.
     
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    pleber16 USNA 2016 5-Year Member

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    You're not going to get nuke with a 2.7. There's enough competition for people who want it and the people they're going to sub draft have much higher grades. You're likely to get pilot, HOWEVER there's a pretty serious downsizing happening in CNATRA right now, so the slots available for your class may be reduced. FOs seem to always be behind in numbers, so I'd bet money on you at least getting that. Padding your preferences with the nuke options as 3 and 4 isn't going to preclude them from giving you your 5th choice though.