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There were a couple of students who were allowed an extra semester because of medical reasons. The two on the list happen to be football players, but I believe there were a few others. Medical reasons aren't uncommon. Sometimes a family situation where you have to take off a semester. later... mike.....
 
why is that list made public. isn't it an invasion of privacy???
 
I don't know why it's public. I also don't personally believe that it's a privacy issue. All it shows are names; what class they are in; and why honors list they are on (If any). Those not on an honors list is not posted. Not sure about where you're from, but around here, our local newspaper always lists students; high school and college; who are on the dean's list; honor roll; etc... Why is this different. FWIW; I received the list in a MASS EMAIL from our parent's association, who I believe received it from the AOG or similar. Again, I don't see the problem. later... mike....
 
Stvblm,

That list is distributed to all state parent's groups, and many other websites for parents of cadets have the list posted on them. Since that Academy also sends press releases to local papers regarding each of the cadets on the list, I don't think there is any private information on it.

There is a good point to make here though about being careful when posting info that you may come across as a cadet or parent. Think about it before you do it. If there is any question about whether is it appropriate to post something, I would always err on the side of caution and not post it.

Last year there was a mom who's cadet had sent her the new squadron list. The mom was anxious to post the info so all of the parents could see which squadron their kids were going into. In her haste, she didn't really look at it to realize that all of the cadets social security numbers were included with their name. Needless to say, there were many unhappy parents, and the list was removed immediately. So, the lesson learned is that cadets do not have to share everything with their parents, and parents do not need to share everything with the boards.

Thanks for the chance to share a lesson with everyone.

Stealth_81
 
Last year there was a mom who's cadet had sent her the new squadron list. The mom was anxious to post the info so all of the parents could see which squadron their kids were going into. In her haste, she didn't really look at it to realize that all of the cadets social security numbers were included with their name. Needless to say, there were many unhappy parents, and the list was removed immediately. So, the lesson learned is that cadets do not have to share everything with their parents, and parents do not need to share everything with the boards.
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And her daughter shouldn't be here after being on EVERY probation at once while a 4 dig in my squad. Very frustrating....


The list is stamped with the privacy act though, so I'm perplexed. Also makes me wonder when I see my name out there on the internet for everyone on there....
 
1. Most Parent's Associations instruct their members NOT to post anything they learn in the PA meetings or PA forums, nor to even inform their cadets of what they have learned in the PA.

I guess the USAFA PA doesn't do that.

2. At USCGA, the cadet MUST sign a release in order for ANY information about their grades to be released to their parents (or anyone else). I would guess that unless each and every cadet on that USAFA Honors List signed such a release, a public posting of it is a gross violation of the Privacy Act of 1974.

I guess the USAFA PA doesn't follow that rule either.

Sadly, due to internet/google caching, the bell can never be un-rung. The list will forever exist in cyberspace.
 
In light of the replies received here, I have removed the link to the Honors List from Christcorp's post. I have also PM'd Chriscorp explaining this.
I was mistaken when I let it stay up, and I apologize to everyone. Sometimes we all make mistakes.
Thank you to all who let me know about this.

Stealth_81
 
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Christcorp, even though the link is gone now the fact that the list is protected by the privacy act means it is not public info. however harmless you feel it is it was wrong to make public. If the Academy deems that list to be protected then it should be protected.
 
we do allow the release of our grades, if you choose.

for all the cadets, go to CAMIS, personell data, scroll down to privacy act and points of contact. it then lists who is allowed to see what, as defined by YOU. for example, my parents can see all my personell records except medical, and same w/ my rep and senators.

so, i dunno if it violates the privacy act, because we authorized them to release our info to those people that we listed..
 
i can guarantee you that not every single person on that list signed a release
 
Well for what it's worth; everything on paper in the military just about has the privacy statement on it. 2nd; On that list was not one person's grades of any kind. All it listed was that they had made a list; if they had. While I may disagree that any privacy information was provided on that list. E.g. the student's name and squadron are not private; I do agree that truth is 99% perception. Therefor I do agree with taking down the list. later... mike....
 
Shouldn't matter what the info IS, the paper has the privacy act clearly marked on every page. Legally, its private.
 
Hornetguy i agree 100% and you expressed the exact point i was trying to make. whatever the content is it's still private.
 
I guess when you've spent 20+ years of your life in the military; and pretty much NOTHING in your life is really PRIVATE; (No matter what some may want to think) you see things a little different. Like I mentioned; practically everything in the military has a privacy statement on it. But then again, we have a "Freedom of Information" act that also doesn't allow freedom all the time.

But like I said, the link is gone and so is access to my server. I think this horse can be put to sleep. This is not something that will have agreement across the board on. I think it's time to move on, later.... mike....
 
Christcorp - it sounds like you are saying there is a lot of private stuff in the military - which I know to be true. Your comment implies that these secret things are everywhere so perhaps they are not so secret after all. While I know there are differing levels of private/confidential etc, & many personal things get out, I would hope that someone in our military would recognize that some things are not to be released to the public. There are privacy notes on many documents ranging from this privacy act up through TS. It is not for the recipient to unilaterally distribute such information, particularly to the web, and I expect all military members to know that - particularly one with over twenty years in service.

Frankly, it is a little scary that any document listed with any type of privacy at all is posted online, let alone posted by a long term member of our military. Yes, I know there are differences in the privacy act vs. secret/TS documents etc. However, the notice is posted for a reason & even if one does not agree with the level of security on a document, one must comply with it. This document should be handled no differently than any other.

Incidentally, I am not just a parent with no military knowledge writing this. I assure you that in my position I take privacy statements very seriously, which is as it should be, as did my husband in his military career and my father in his military service before his death.
 
Points taken; we really don't have to keep going over this. But if you all want to, fine. I rarely bow out of a thread. But this is one of them. Have a great day. Later... mike....
 
can somebody explain to me how the pea works for an ic athlete? in season and not in season. i still don't understand how it all works, and it would be great if i could get some info. thanks! :smile:
 
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