T-38 crash

Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by Capri120, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Capri120

    Capri120 Parent

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2016
    Messages:
    1,032
    Likes Received:
    930
    Falcon A, AROTC-dad and mommahedg like this.
  2. Pima

    Pima 10-Year Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2007
    Messages:
    13,493
    Likes Received:
    1,635
    My prayers also go out to the families. This strikes home to me since our DS winged out of Laughlin. I do know one thing, that community is very tight knit due to its location and I believe in my heart that everyone on that base is wrapping their arms around not only the family, but everyone on the base and in the squadron.
     
    mommahedg, Capri120 and Falcon A like this.
  3. USMCGrunt

    USMCGrunt 5-Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,233
    Likes Received:
    1,842
    Godspeed. Prayers for all involved.
     
    mommahedg and Capri120 like this.
  4. Falcon A

    Falcon A Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,151
    Likes Received:
    1,339
    "A Toast . . . " for the pilot lost . . .

    Prayers for both sets of families . . .

    Hoping for a complete and speedy recovery for the pilot that was injured

    Everything is routine right up until "remove chocks"
     
    NTWLF ONE, mommahedg and Capri120 like this.
  5. USMCGrunt

    USMCGrunt 5-Year Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,233
    Likes Received:
    1,842
    A question from a naive ground pounder: The imbedded article in the link above notes the "trainer’s troubled airframe mounted gearboxes." That was disturbing to me - shouldn't know issues be addressed?

    I am not assuming this was the cause of the most recent crash. Just wondering...
     
  6. AROTC-dad

    AROTC-dad Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2014
    Messages:
    4,204
    Likes Received:
    3,880
    Given the longevity of the T-38, I was wondering the same thing.
     
  7. Falcon A

    Falcon A Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,151
    Likes Received:
    1,339
    I am NOT a military pilot

    From reading some of the information this was a dual hydraulic pump failure. Both right and left engine hydraulic pumps failed. The implication is this seems to be a known weak point. (Experts on the T38 would have to comment.). However redundancy can be an OK way to mitigate a weak point in a system. My guess is that on the risk matrix a dual hydraulic pump failure would be a 5X1 meaning if it happens it is mission ending —that is a “5”. But the probability of it happening is very low. That is the “1”. Again, T38 expert would have to weigh in, but my experience is there is no perfect aircraft. This is all very unfortunate. The system failed, the design for selection of dual ejection had issues and then the emergency procedures were not fully accomplished. Most tragic failures have a stack up of issues like this.
     
  8. raimius

    raimius 10-Year Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    2,436
    Likes Received:
    484
    A toast...
    And prayers for a speedy recovery.

    USMCGrunt, every aircraft has weak points in its design. Some gear box failures have contributed to past T-38 crashes, but it is far too early to tell what happened here. As a Class A mishap, there is already a safety investigation going. The Accident Investigation Board will also take some time.
     
  9. Stealth_81

    Stealth_81 Super Moderator 10-Year Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2006
    Messages:
    2,330
    Likes Received:
    1,299
    I just want to point out that all of your information is from the November 2017 crash of a T-38 at Laughlin. The cause of yesterday’s crash has not even been discussed publicly, yet. The T-38 is an old jet and with that age comes some issues.

    Stealth_81
     
  10. Falcon A

    Falcon A Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,151
    Likes Received:
    1,339
    I should have been more clear. I was responding to USMCgrunt and AROTC-dad
     
    AROTC-dad likes this.
  11. Stealth_81

    Stealth_81 Super Moderator 10-Year Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2006
    Messages:
    2,330
    Likes Received:
    1,299
    No problem. I just wanted everyone reading to understand.

    The identity of the pilots has just been released. Both Captains and both instructor pilots. Prayers for the families.

    Stealth_81
     
    Humey and Falcon A like this.
  12. Pima

    Pima 10-Year Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2007
    Messages:
    13,493
    Likes Received:
    1,635
    Just found out that one of the pilots graduated with my DS from AFROTC and was at Laughlin at the same time, just a few classes behind him.
     
  13. Wild Blue Yonder

    Wild Blue Yonder 5-Year Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2010
    Messages:
    126
    Likes Received:
    98
    A toast... to Graz, just another great dude, among each and every one of them.
    I am getting very disturbed with the frequency of these events.
     
    Skipper07 likes this.
  14. Pima

    Pima 10-Year Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2007
    Messages:
    13,493
    Likes Received:
    1,635
    Our DS said this exact same thing the day he found out it was Graz. This would be the 3rd pilot he has known to die since he winged 4 yrs ago.
     
  15. fencersmother

    fencersmother 10-Year Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    1,437
    A Toast...

    One of my sons also winged out of Laughlin (with PIMA's).

    Our prayers are with his family and his AF family.
     
  16. a400831

    a400831 5-Year Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    40
    I flew with Graz several times when I was in the 87th. I flew my very last flight of UPT with him. While we were waiting in chocks for that flight, all he could talk about was how excited he was for the FAIP drop and how he couldn't wait to travel and see the world. He got Vipers and was going to be a Top Hat out here at Luke. He was loved and respected by every person who had the privilege of flying with him. Any day you saw you were scheduled with him in the back seat was a great day.

    He was a great pilot and an even better man.

    "Take care my friend, watch your six, and do one more roll for me."
     
    NTWLF ONE, AROTC-dad, raimius and 2 others like this.