the SS MARINE ELECTRIC lost on this day in 1983

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39 years ago today, the SS MARINE ELECTRIC sank in a storm 30 nautical miles off the Virginia coast, taking with her 31 of her 34 man crew.. Many of the crew died from hypothermia while in the water waiting for rescue. The disaster was a watershed event in US maritime history and was the catalysis for mandating that every vessel carry survival suits onboard. The loss of the ship also led to the establishment of the US Coast Guard's Rescue Swimmer Program.

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39 years ago today, the SS MARINE ELECTRIC sank in a storm 30 nautical miles off the Virginia coast, taking with her 31 of her 34 man crew.. Many of the crew died from hypothermia while in the water waiting for rescue. The disaster was a watershed event in US maritime history and was the catalysis for mandating that every vessel carry survival suits onboard. The loss of the ship also led to the establishment of the US Coast Guard's Rescue Swimmer Program.

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Thank you for the reminder about the dangers if a career at sea. USMMA does a good job of emphasizing safety protocols from getting into those survival suits during INDOC to lifeboat drills and other precautions learned during their SOLAS (safety of life at sea) course.
 
I started at ABS 5 years after the MARINE ELECTRIC. The incident still echoed strongly. I never neglected hatch covers during my tenure.
 
I started at ABS 5 years after the MARINE ELECTRIC. The incident still echoed strongly. I never neglected hatch covers during my tenure.
Given the implementation of the ISM Code (since 1998), if it was in place back then, do you think the Master would have officially complained to the DPA (Designated Person Ashore) for repairs to the hatches, etc. ?
 
Given the implementation of the ISM Code (since 1998), if it was in place back then, do you think the Master would have officially complained to the DPA (Designated Person Ashore) for repairs to the hatches, etc. ?
Sure. But would it have made a difference? I don't think that anyone was unaware of the condition of the covers. THAT is the tragedy.
 
Sure. But would it have made a difference? I don't think that anyone was unaware of the condition of the covers. THAT is the tragedy.
Should the Chief Mate and/or Master have been aware of the condition. Or was the steel wasted such as it was not visible?
 
Given the implementation of the ISM Code (since 1998), if it was in place back then, do you think the Master would have officially complained to the DPA (Designated Person Ashore) for repairs to the hatches, etc. ?
Maybe.. but I have seen companies drag their feet in taking corrective action after a 'non-conformity' report was submitted. Back in the days before Safety Management Systems, if there was a problem getting the company to correct a safety deficiency I had at times asked Coast Guard inspectors to write me a CG-835 [CG 'fix it ticket'] to force the company to expedite the repair/correction.

Sure. But would it have made a difference? I don't think that anyone was unaware of the condition of the covers. THAT is the tragedy.

Should the Chief Mate and/or Master have been aware of the condition. Or was the steel wasted such as it was not visible?
I think everybody was aware of the ship's condition.. It wasn't a secret.. The records showed that during the last 2 years of her life the MARINE ELECTRIC had upwards of 400 doublers or patches placed on her hatch lids and over a dozen doubler plates on the main deck between the hatches. Doublers and epoxy patches were the standard means of repairing the wastage and also of stevedore damage caused in offloading coal. I remember once talking to a guy at the union hall that had 'night mated' her a few months before she sank.. He told me, besides the numerous hatch and deck repairs, he had also seen holes in the hull in the area of the load waterline where DC plugs had been driven in, sanded down flush and then cover with 'Red Hand' epoxy..
 
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I think everybody was aware of the ship's condition.. It wasn't a secret.. The records showed that during the last 2 years of her life the MARINE ELECTRIC had upwards of 400 doublers or patches placed on her hatch lids and over a dozen doubler plates on the main deck between the hatches. Doublers and epoxy patches were the standard means of repairing the wastage and also of stevedore damage caused in offloading coal. I remember once talking to a guy at the union hall that had 'night mated' her a few months before she sank.. He told me, besides the numerous hatch and deck repairs, he had also seen holes in the hull in the area of the load waterline where DC plugs had been driven in, sanded down flush and then cover with 'Red Hand' epoxy..
Wow, if true, that's criminal.
 
Wow, if true, that's criminal.
It's true.. and yes it's criminal.. but I don't believe anyone went to jail or so much as lost their job over it.. Reportedly MTL paid about 15 million dollar in settlements to the families of those that died. That's about $480,000 per man. I remember once hearing someone remark about the pay out 'that's what these companies feel your life is worth'.. sad and sobering for sure..
 
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Maybe.. but I have seen companies drag their feet in taking corrective action after a 'non-conformity' report was submitted. Back in the days before Safety Management Systems, if there was a problem getting the company to correct a safety deficiency I had at times asked Coast Guard inspectors to write me a CG-835 [CG 'fix it ticket'] to force the company to expedite the repair/correction.




I think everybody was aware of the ship's condition.. It wasn't a secret.. The records showed that during the last 2 years of her life the MARINE ELECTRIC had upwards of 400 doublers or patches placed on her hatch lids and over a dozen doubler plates on the main deck between the hatches. Doublers and epoxy patches were the standard means of repairing the wastage and also of stevedore damage caused in offloading coal. I remember once talking to a guy at the union hall that had 'night mated' her a few months before she sank.. He told me, besides the numerous hatch and deck repairs, he had also seen holes in the hull in the area of the load waterline where DC plugs had been driven in, sanded down flush and then cover with 'Red Hand' epoxy..
Because of the MARINE ELECTRIC and other bulkers sinking, doublers between hatches became a big issue. . . .I remember surveying an Greek operated bulker and seeing doublers in those locations during and Annual Survey. I asked the chief mate what the deal was. He told me that they were there to keep water from leaking into the hold. . . uh, yeah. Some unplanned steel work was carried out before they left. . . . Using epoxy and other means to hide these kind of things is criminal in my book. As a Class Surveyor, it can be difficult to see these things that are intentionally done to deceive. . . . . there is much I do not miss about that job.
 
Should the Chief Mate and/or Master have been aware of the condition. Or was the steel wasted such as it was not visible?
I am pretty sure that everyone was aware, perhaps even the superintendent. I got to know him several years after the incident, but I never asked. . . and he will remain nameless at this time. Haven't even seen him in over 20 years. He may well have passed.
 
Lets not forget the responsibility of the Operator to: 1. Provided needed resources 2. Ensure an effective maintenance system 3. Follow regulations 4. Identify and address risks (now a requirement under ISM Code). Bottom line, if an operating company does there right thing this type of condition/event should be very unlikely.
 
Lets not forget the responsibility of the Operator to: 1. Provided needed resources 2. Ensure an effective maintenance system 3. Follow regulations 4. Identify and address risks (now a requirement under ISM Code). Bottom line, if an operating company does there right thing this type of condition/event should be very unlikely.
Exactly. There are risks to every business or occupation. Working in the maritime industry has more than most. I myself have been injured on a few occasions, but not severe enough to miss more than a couple of weeks of work. Granted, this incident happened prior to the ISM Code, but all that really does is codify how a good operator is supposed to act.
 
What incidents or risks will happen on the ship or in the maritime industry, not disaster like the loss of a ship?
 
What incidents or risks will happen on the ship or in the maritime industry, not disaster like the loss of a ship?
Many, a few are:
Grounding, structural failure, man overboard, injuries, loss of cargo, fire, spills, machinery failure, Allison, collision, piracy....for ships 500 Gross Tons or over-operating internationally, they must follow the ISM Code. ISM, among many other things requires that companies assess identified risks....
 
Commercial or Naval or even pleasure vessels at sea are an industrial environment. I still think about visiting one of my MSC CIVMARS (federal civilian mariners) in hospital, whose leg was grievously wounded by a snapped tow cable on an ocean-going tug whipping along the deck. The leg was saved, but he was unable to return to sailing.
 
Thank you for sharing the insights above. I can image how difficult it will be and it's so sad for the damage. I guess the academy will teach us during the study, in addition to sea year experience. How do we prepare better for it?
 
Learning "Operational Safety" is a never-ending journey. KP will teach you the basics. You will learn lots onboard actual merchant ships. Listen to the experience sailors and officers...they have learned a lot.
 
There will always be incidents of some kind. The maritime world is inherently dangerous. As I stated above, I have been wounded a few times, thankfully not seriously and I still have all my fingers and toes. Just had to get sewn up a few times. One vessel I sailed on ran aground in Tampa Bay, just past the Sunshine Bridge, but no damage, other than the Captain's ego (especially when the ship that his brother was Chief Engineer on sailed past). I work in insurance now, and have seen some doozies. Also, when I worked with the American Bureau of Shipping, I dealt with quite a few groundings, collisions, explosions. Also as stated in this thread, learning safety is a very dynamic process.
 
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