Thoughts on recent grad, 2LT/C.O. Metzler?

It is possible to have "conversions" like Paul on the road to Damascus. Okay, perhaps that is supernatural and this one is.... dare I say... just woke?

It seems too obvious to state that parents/applicants should discuss the military's role.

Cue the quote from Gen McArthur...“The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”

Perhaps the OP is objecting to politicians waging wars..
 
jerryseinfeld said:
It is possible to have "conversions" like Paul on the road to Damascus. Okay, perhaps that is supernatural and this one is.... dare I say... just woke?

It seems too obvious to state that parents/applicants should discuss the military's role.

Cue the quote from Gen McArthur...“The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”

Perhaps the OP is objecting to politicians waging wars..
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Is there a link connecting the US military to waging war against the Palestinians? I’d like to see that explained.

Is there rules for war after a country is attacked by their neighboring enemy, who vows to wipe you off the map? And is being funded by a country that vows death to America and Israel?

I have a lot of disagreements with how the US engages with other countries. There are many examples.

She seems focused on one political issue/Country.
 
As a tax payer, I admire her bravery and her point of view. The disproportional response to October 7 ties the US to the unilateral actions of Isreal due to US unconditional support of Isreal. I don't see this as anti-semetism, a conscience objection, or working a system for a free education. It's an objection to actions of a foreign government on the brink of dragging the US into a questionable war that I also consider a moral challenge. Kudos 2LT Metzler!
 
MDRDV said:
As a tax payer, I admire her bravery and her point of view. The disproportional response to October 7 ties the US to the unilateral actions of Isreal due to US unconditional support of Isreal. I don't see this as anti-semetism, a conscience objection, or working a system for a free education. It's an objection to actions of a foreign government on the brink of dragging the US into a questionable war that I also consider a moral challenge. Kudos 2LT Metzler!
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Kudos to anyone for speaking their mind. It's probably best that establish that you are a conscientious objector before you decide to matriculate at a service academy and then subsequently sign your 2 for 7 after your 3C year. Just as an FYI, a CA has to be opposed to all forms of war, not just one action, and it also has to be approved by a board. Kinda hard to prove that you are genuinely opposed to all war when you voluntarily joined a service academy. CA status will result in a discharge and she will be responsible to pay everything back under US code. Everyone has their right to speech, but her sudden 180 and the fact that she is blabbering on multiple far left blogs is not going to help her case.
 
I found one quote interesting and maybe I'm cherry picking but, "As an active duty service member, I have been told repeatedly that military strength is the only way to counteract the threats we face in the world."

So why have the ethics classes, the law classes, the polsci classes, and the soc sci classes if this is what we're supposedly "taught"? Maybe it's because we aren't taught that? We're taught DIME model and we focus on M yes because we are military power but I've been explicitly told by different professors both sides of the political agenda, military and not, that military is not, can not and will not ever be the only option.

Military should be used, this doesn't mean "you've tried everything now send in the military" but it does mean looking at all of the options and going "Ok well they're shooting at us because they're starving so Aid + military= best" (very simplified example) Military is a tool and not everything is a hammer like she's saying we're taught. Just kinda down plays what we actually learn here.

Oh and we weren't cheering for the Russian soldiers that were killed with drones at the brief we had a week ago....it was silent realizing that's our future...well not very future anymore but now. I know it's not the same video she watched but...damn I'm still human thank you.
 
More than 50 years ago, I got a phone call from a classmate whom I had roomed with a couple of times. We were good friends. He wanted to know what I thought about something.

He had put a tour in Buffs in SEA as a bomb/nav. Came home and for whatever reason decided he wanted out as a CO. Odd in that he had been really gung-ho as a cadet. I was able to get a jet and fly to his station. I wanted to tell him that we would remain friends regardless of his direction in life. We remain so.

It may not always be black or white, but this young lady may come to regret this move.
 
I would venmo a decent amount of money, enough I'd dare declare for even a large pepperoni pizza for example, to see the service academy and ROTC application essays from this active duty officer from a few years back. The call to serve and protect...

In my house, we phoned a lot of friends - my Dad, my cousin, even slightly weird but still a voice of experience PTSD'd uncle Bud - all veterans, and had a lot of conversations about the role the military plays, both personal safety and the missions one may be asked to take on... before my son even applied to ROTC programs. Warheads on foreheads, the payload delivery of a P8 and the 100s that could kill in one sub alone, the prolonged stress...

I support the blanket of freedom including people vehemently disagreeing with the US military choices, however, how now can this person lead others into combat? Ideally she will hold onto her principles and speak loudly as she would like... but not as an active duty officer. Is there a DODMERB or UCMJ justification for a swift removal and recoupment? Maybe a nice 340k bill to pay back the education so far would help? Scratching my head as to why they signed up for active duty if this was in their heart. IDK, I respect the Air Force but this type of nonsense is another reason on the pile why I'm glad my son turned them down to fly Navy.
 
A1Janitor said:
Is there a link connecting the US military to waging war against the Palestinians? I’d like to see that explained.

Is there rules for war after a country is attacked by their neighboring enemy, who vows to wipe you off the map? And is being funded by a country that vows death to America and Israel?

I have a lot of disagreements with how the US engages with other countries. There are many examples.

She seems focused on one political issue/Country.
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No one is accusing the US ok waging war against the Palestinians. Those opposed to the Israelis make two points

1. Israel is supplied with US weapons and has been resupplied with weapons since the war started. Therefore the US is responsible. However the US is the largest weapons exporters in the world with France and Russia below them. Most of the Middle East is armed with US and Russian weapons. I guess people like her would feel better if the Israelis built their own bombs. I am sure its doable, just cheaper to buy as they dont have to re-invent bomb making

2. People like her think that if Biden wanted to , he could order Netanyahu to stop the war. They don't seem to get that Biden isnt the leader of Israel. Now it is true, that Biden can say, stop the war or we will cut you off completely. That would include financially, economically and embargo on all weapon sales. In addition, the US would t supply weapons to the Palestinians. That would probably do the trick.
 
soccer67 said:
Responsible for what?
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in todays world, the people responsible are those who provide the weapons and not the people who use them. Or that is how the theory goes. I think I just solved world peace. The US sells weapons to every nation on the planet and then forbids them to use it. Problem solved
 
cb7893 said:
Not unlike the trend to avoid vaccinations.

Just add it to the long list of things that Americans object to and believe they have the right to opt out of...for any number of reasons. And by golly they have their reasons.
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The anti-covid vaxxers seen happier with their decision. 🤣

Not sure it was a trend though.

I am more concerned with the military not granting religious exemptions for covid vaccines than I am this woman with conscientious objections.
 
I think Lt. Metzler needs to familiarize herself with the definition of genocide. If Israel is participating in "active genocide" in Gaza, they are very very bad at it. Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. If they were not actively trying to protect the lives of civilians, the death toll would be orders of magnitude higher.

In 1994 ~20% of the Rwandan Tutsi population was killed in just 100 days. Rwanda's population density is 270 people per sq. km. About 1.8% of Palestinians have been killed in the past year even though the population density in Gaza is 6,300 people per sq. km (23x higher than Rwanda's). If you believe Al Jazeera (a big if), Israel has dropped 75,000 tons of explosives in Gaza over the past year. Imagine what the death toll would be if Israel randomly dropped that many bombs on such a densely populated area. Now imagine what the death toll would be if Israel were actively targeting civilians with that much firepower!

Having a USAF Officer falsely accuse our strongest Middle East ally of war crimes AFTER THEY WERE ATTACKED is unconscionable. She's made her bed and she is about to lie in it. SMH
 
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