Transfer students

[kp1368]

Are transfer students' appointments handled the same way as high school students. I know they make up about a third of the class. Is the process still the same as far as slates, etc...

 

[Capt MJ]

Are transfer students' appointments handled the same way as high school students. I know they make up about a third of the class. Is the process still the same as far as slates, etc...

There are no “transfer” students in the same sense as changing civilian schools. Everyone starts as a plebe, no mattter how many college credits they might have. There will be opportunities to test into more advanced courses, but no credits transfer.

USNA.edu has information specifically for college applicants, as well as re-applicants (did not get in from HS, now re-applying while at college or prep school).

Applicants will apply for nominations in the same way as current high school students.

 

[kp1368]

Are transfer students' appointments handled the same way as high school students. I know they make up about a third of the class. Is the process still the same as far as slates, etc...

There are no “transfer” students in the same sense as changing civilian schools. Everyone starts as a plebe, no mattter how many college credits they might have. There will be opportunities to test into more advanced courses, but no credits transfer.

USNA.edu has information specifically for college applicants, as well as re-applicants (did not get in from HS, now re-applying while at college or prep school).

Applicants will apply for nominations in the same way as current high school students.

 

[kp1368]

Are transfer students' appointments handled the same way as high school students. I know they make up about a third of the class. Is the process still the same as far as slates, etc...

There are no “transfer” students in the same sense as changing civilian schools. Everyone starts as a plebe, no mattter how many college credits they might have. There will be opportunities to test into more advanced courses, but no credits transfer.

USNA.edu has information specifically for college applicants, as well as re-applicants (did not get in from HS, now re-applying while at college or prep school).

Applicants will apply for nominations in the same way as current high school students.

Right. I should have been more clear. I mean for the appointment process ... do you know if the "transfer" kids compete against the other transfer kids applying or do they compete against the whole group? It seems like they leave about a third of the class open to kids coming in from other colleges.

 

[Capt MJ]

All candidates’ records are assessed and values assigned according to a whole person/multiple scoring approach. Each record stands on its own. If the MOC sends in an unranked slate, there is competition there as the SA racks and stacks among that group. If 200 are eligible for a Presidential nom, and only 100 appointments can be charged to Presidential noms, that is a competition as the SA decides that 100. The SA will look at everyone in the national pool, fully qualified candidates with noms, as they fill out the class, so those are looked at comparatively. The SA is responsible for who gets the VP noms, so they look across the applicants for those. Applicants compete against all kinds of internal groupings.

There is no set aside “x” spots for college applicants. It just works out how it works out. College students may have taken ROTC and secured an ROTC nom and done very well in ROTC and their college academics in courses of interest to the SA - that definitely gives the SA more to evaluate in addition to HS grades, class rank and test scores.

 

[kinnem]

To perhaps make clearer what Capt MJ has indicated, you will at first only compete with the "slate" from your nomination source. If you aren't selected from that slate then you go to the National Pool (all other 3Q nominees) and your competition becomes everyone who is 3Q and has a nomination.

Hope this helps.

 

[Old Navy BGO]

It seems like they leave about a third of the class open to kids coming in from other colleges.

There is a de facto set aside for NAPS and Foundation scholarship candidates. They are essentially "guaranteed" admission if they successfully complete the program. (As always, there are exceptions and caveats, but for the most part, unless they mess up --the are in). They are required to apply for all NOM's they are eligible for, and may in fact take a MOC nomination --so the normal high school candidate is competing wit the NAPSter and Foundation student, but there are other alternatives nomination sources for the NAPS and Foundation candidate if they don't win the MOC slate.

With respect to the college re-applicant, the compete head to head with the high school counterpart, and if they have done well in college, may in fact have the upper hand. First, they are showing commitment and desire by reapplying, but more important have demonstrated the ability to succeed in college level academics. There is a good sticky at the top of the forum with guidance on reapplying.

 

[kp1368]

It seems like they leave about a third of the class open to kids coming in from other colleges.

There is a de facto set aside for NAPS and Foundation scholarship candidates. They are essentially "guaranteed" admission if they successfully complete the program. (As always, there are exceptions and caveats, but for the most part, unless they mess up --the are in). They are required to apply for all NOM's they are eligible for, and may in fact take a MOC nomination --so the normal high school candidate is competing wit the NAPSter and Foundation student, but there are other alternatives nomination sources for the NAPS and Foundation candidate if they don't win the MOC slate.

With respect to the college re-applicant, the compete head to head with the high school counterpart, and if they have done well in college, may in fact have the upper hand. First, they are showing commitment and desire by reapplying, but more important have demonstrated the ability to succeed in college level academics. There is a good sticky at the top of the forum with guidance on reapplying.

I'm sorry to ask this stupid question, but each congress person has a certain number of slates?

 

[usna1985]

You might want to check out the sticky in the Nominations forum for more info on noms in general.

To answer your question, each MOC can have up to 5 mids at USNA at one time. For each vacancy (usually one per year, sometimes two), the MOC can nominate up to 10 people. That group when submitted to USNA is referred to as a "slate." So MOCs will submit one slate most years for each SA -- some years they'll have two vacancies and thus can submit two slates.

 

[kp1368]

To perhaps make clearer what Capt MJ has indicated, you will at first only compete with the "slate" from your nomination source. If you aren't selected from that slate then you go to the National Pool (all other 3Q nominees) and your competition becomes everyone who is 3Q and has a nomination.

Hope this helps.

On a different thread someone posted this:

In the extremely unlikely scenario where a MOC has no vacancies, candidates in that district would not even be able to compete in the national pool unless they had a nomination from another source. No nomination = No appointment.


This contradicates you are saying, doesn't it?

 

[kinnem]

No. If the MOC had no vacancies there is no slate and no one is nominated, and everyone in the national pool must have a nom. You have to be on some slate first.

 

[SAparent2023]

Why would an MOC have no vacancies at an SA? Shouldn't they have one at least every year and two every 4 years? Also, how do you find out how many vacancies an MOC has? I know you can't control it but wouldn't it may make a difference in how you would rank your academy preferences. For example, if your preference is USMA first and USNA second but your MOC has no vacancies at USMA, then you would want to rank USNA first, I would think.

 

[Cerberi]

Why would an MOC have no vacancies at an SA? Shouldn't they have one at least every year and two every 4 years? Also, how do you find out how many vacancies an MOC has? I know you can't control it but wouldn't it may make a difference in how you would rank your academy preferences. For example, if your preference is USMA first and USNA second but your MOC has no vacancies at USMA, then you would want to rank USNA first, I would think.

Each MOC is authorized x slots per 4 year period. One MOC might have multiple slots in a given year because of early departures or not having filled those vacancies in prior years. Conversely, for one reason or another a MOC may have all his/her positions filled and have 0 available in a given year.

How it all works is not easily understood

There are MOCs who simply nominate no one whether it’s a political position or they have no one qualified that applies

And I would wager most rank their choices based on what they prefer vs availability

 

[SAparent2023]

Why would an MOC have no vacancies at an SA? Shouldn't they have one at least every year and two every 4 years? Also, how do you find out how many vacancies an MOC has? I know you can't control it but wouldn't it may make a difference in how you would rank your academy preferences. For example, if your preference is USMA first and USNA second but your MOC has no vacancies at USMA, then you would want to rank USNA first, I would think.

Each MOC is authorized x slots per 4 year period. One MOC might have multiple slots in a given year because of early departures or not having filled those vacancies in prior years. Conversely, for one reason or another a MOC may have all his/her positions filled and have 0 available in a given year.

How it all works is not easily understood

There are MOCs who simply nominate no one whether it’s a political position or they have no one qualified that applies

And I would wager most rank their choices based on what they prefer vs availability

Thanks, Cerberi.

 

[OldRetSWO]

Each MOC is authorized x slots per 4 year period. One MOC might have multiple slots in a given year because of early departures or not having filled those vacancies in prior years. Conversely, for one reason or another a MOC may have all his/her positions filled and have 0 available in a given year.

According to my BGO training, this is not allowed to happen. The Academy along with the MOCs work to ensure that there is at least one every year so if there is an early departure, they do not recycle that vacancy right away to prevent having years with zero vacancies.