Usafa Form 2030 vs SF86 questions

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I had a couple questions that I would rather not ask my ALO yet. I was filling out form 2030, and I

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  1. AirForceProud

    AirForceProud Member

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    I had a couple questions that I would rather not ask my ALO yet.
    I was filling out form 2030, and I forgot that I smoked about a fingertip amount of weed once during the summer before junior year. I am afraid that by notifying the alo and seeing what she says, and if she tells me to do the steps to correct it, with the waiver and everything, that my parents would find out about it, and they would kill me. Do you have any advice?
    Also, if I can not fix it, and if I said no on form 2030 but I say yes on SF86, will they compare 2030 and SF86?
    More questions to come
     
  2. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    Not sure how serious you are but here's the answer.

    If you lie on the SF86, and that's what you'd be doing, then read and re-read the following:

    CERTIFICATION (From the SF86)
    My statements on this form, and on any attachments to it, are true, complete, and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief and are made in good faith. I have carefully read the foregoing instructions to complete this form. I understand that a knowing and willful false statement on this form can be punished by fine or imprisonment or both (18 U.S.C. 1001). I understand that intentionally withholding, misrepresenting, or falsifying information may have a negative effect on my security clearance, employment prospects, or job status, up to and including denial or revocation of my security clearance, or my removal and debarment from Federal service.

    And then there's this:
    18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

    (a)Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
    statement or representation; or statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

    There's no reason for your parents to know if you choose not to tell them; the ALO won't, the academy won't, and the DOD won't.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
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    So there is no way for them to know accidentally?
     
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    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    Only two things are unequivocal: death and taxes. The rest...who knows? Could they find out? Sure...if you or a friend or XXX tells them. Aside from that? I have no idea.

    Steve
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  5. Capt MJ

    Capt MJ 10-Year Member

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    Throughout your military career, you will update your SF-86, signing and certifying each time what you have put down is true. Your clearances typically get higher as you go longer in uniform, with deeper background checks.

    Get it all cleared up now, while you can claim an honest mistake both in the original act and failure to report, so the effort of having to keep the fuzzy truths straight doesn’t build up year after year.

    And your parents will not kill you. Stand up and own it, talk to the lesson you learned, apologize for disappointing them, take whatever they have to say, and you’re through it. Then you don’t have to worry about maneuvering around them, and that clears the way to attack this error before it compounds itself and hardens into something unfixable down the road. You are going to have to own your mistakes as an adult and step up to fix them. Why not get in some practice now?
     
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    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    AirForceProud....

    This is SOUND wisdom!

    Steve
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  7. AirForceProud

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    Yes, thank you, I plan to inform them when the time is right, probably after I meet with my ALO...but the entire waiver process, will that have anything to do with parents? I am not 18 yet, will be in October
     
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    raimius 10-Year Member

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    Don't lie.
    It's not a good quality, and acts become habits. I've seen jobs lost, marriages ruined, and families destroyed because people lied, and tried to cover it up, spiraling deeper and deeper. Just don't go down that road.
     
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    Go ahead and tell your parents. First of all, they love you. Second, they know you are a teenager and teenagers experiment and do stupid things - it's part of growing up and learning to make good decisions. I have three children - two of whom have experimented with drinking and marijuana and one of whom has not (happens to be the one interested in a military career and SA) but all three have and will continue to do some stupid things despite being kind-hearted, intelligent, compassionate people. We are all works in process. But as others have said, own it now and clear it up with your parents and the forms before it becomes too much for you to control.
     
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    The use of marijuana before having a security clearance or entering military service does not automatically disqualify you from a military security clearance.

    Not reporting the use when you were required to do so can cause you to be disqualified.

    The federal security clearance process is about behaviors, honesty, and willingness to follow requirements for the position. I have always told my Subjects, regardless of their age, that surprising your background investigator is never a good thing. Not all surprises will disqualify you but you are flagged for "personal conduct" issues for adjudication.

    As an old dog in this profession, yes, the chances are high (pun intended) that we will uncover your past marijuana use.

    BTW, I also ask if your parents are aware of past drug use (and most other issues) and report the response. When mom knows, it is harder to be blackmailed.
     
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    This mom would say: You are so stinking stupid. Now you owe me XXX and YYY chores from now till you graduate, with no whining and no break. (It's cleaning your own toilet so stop it)

    This mom would also defend her cubs to the death, and if I know you've done wrong, so be it, but no one can blackmail my or my kidlets if I know.

    See, it's simple.

    DON'T LIE, EXAGERATE, DEFLECT.
     
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    As my recent grad would say In the most simplest terms: Mess up, Fess up.
     
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    I wouldn't lie, they eventually will hook you up to a lie detector if you rise to a top secret clearance level. You could get through USAFA and get jammed up later in your career. Best to just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they fall.