USCGA Class of 2024 Rejection Thread

franknd said:
That may be why he's asking the question, to get closer to an answer to that question.

I'm flummoxed by all the tut-tutting here. More information is better than less information, and sunshine is the best disinfectant. One can do two things simultaneously, both look backward and move forward. Indeed, good leaders and organizations do so. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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I understand this position.

But we are at 36 offers of appointment on this thread and 50 the previous year.

Any results from the 10 to 15% online here - and even less percentage of applicants that don’t get in ... makes this exercise futile. Sample size is too small.

The better approach is for the son to find out the rationale. Call.
 
AppDad said:
Lets keep it real. 1350 is above average for these classes. You can split hairs on EA, but admissions has the full context.


I have also gotten a number of private messages with people in the same situation where the SAT scores are in the 1400’s. One kid had a 1480. All had sports, insane GPAs, leadership, etc.
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franknd said:
That may be why he's asking the question, to get closer to an answer to that question.

I'm flummoxed by all the tut-tutting here. More information is better than less information, and sunshine is the best disinfectant. One can do two things simultaneously, both look backward and move forward. Indeed, good leaders and organizations do so. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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The assumption here is wrong. They don't take the top candidates based only on SAT/ACT/GPA. This where folks are getting hung up.

The quantitative/stats are just part of the equation. There is a qualitative requirement (leadership, grit, etc.), a US requirement (state representation), and most importantly Coast Guard needs. Someone's DD/DS may be in the 'scholar' category with a perfect ACT/GPA but they have 200 'scholars' applying but only need 100 scholars. The CG may need 100 leader types (qualitative) and DD/DS doesn't fit that need. Very few can fit all the needs of the CG or other SAs. I understand folks disappointment but I think they really need to put themselves in the shoes of the CG and see that they may think candidate X is stellar but they don't need someone with his skills, they need someone with other skills. A person who aced the ACT with a 4.0 GPA may be smart but not as strong of a leader than someone with a 28 ACT and 3.75 GPA. That's life. We all excel in certain areas but not all. The CG needs all roles and so gives appointments to all types.

One more thing, CG is harder to get into than the other SAs for males due to the higher percent of females there. Going back to needs, they have need for females which DS can't meet regardless of stats.
 
So say you collect this list of declinations. To evaluate without the precise stats/demographics of those selected over them, that they were directly competing with, is pointless. You will end up with a list of great kids, with great accomplishments who, for one reason or another, were not selected over another candidate. Without context the data is not useful, it is as best 1/2 the equation.

To infer that the academy should not use intangible criteria when evaluating candidates who, on paper, are very similar is flawed. Most institutions will take a holistic, whole person approach to admissions.

I get the feeling that this is more than a curiosity, but an effort to collect and then carry half-baked data up someones flag pole. I hope I am wrong and if so, my apologies. If I am not wrong, I ask that you listen to the others on here about your approach and flaws in your logic.
 
One thing the candidate doesn't really have control over is the evaluation by a teacher (Note: Not letter of recommendation) . You never know if a teacher wrote explicitly "I believe that DS/DD/Self will never become a competent Air Force/Coast Guard/Navy officer." There's a ton of things that go into admissions, and if you fixate on stats, you're going to drive yourself insane.
 
AppDad said:
Hello friends,

My DS received a rejection letter. We were very surprised based on his combination of SAT scores (1350), raw gpa, multi-sport athlete, AP classes, was recruited, and would be third generation coast guard.

Another parent indicated that his son had a 1400 SAT, was twice captain of his football team, had a 3.92 and was #3 in his class along with similar stats.

I am asking for help. Can you please list your child’s stats here if they received a rejection letter?


ADD YOUR NAME: This is self-reporting, self-updating and DIY. Copy the most recent list, paste into new post, add a new row number, enter your info in the stated format, and post.

FORMAT:
rownumber / Forum name / candidate gender - DD or DS / Candidate race / raw gpa / AP Calc or other/ varsity athletics / performing arts / leadership/ recruited yes or no/ anything else


1) AppDad / DS / white / 1350 / 3.82 / AP Calc and AP Psych / varsity football and baseball / lead school musical / archdiocese philadelphia student athlete leadership council/ recruited yes / father CGA grad and expeditionary medal protected veteran, grandfather 25 years enlisted Coast Guard
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I’m giving 2 basic stats:
DS1 direct appt ( now 1/C) 4.6gpa 32act football n lacrosse varsity, 12 AP, AP scholar, Eagle Scout
DS2 last year rejected 3.82gpa, 30act 6AP, Eagle Scouts, 3x captain lacrosse varsity, football varsity, qualified junior Olympic in back stroke.
DH: retired captain usn.
I hope this help
 
Think of the class of 2024 as a puzzle. The box comes with over 2000 pieces but the finished puzzle can only be made up of 265 of those pieces. All of the pieces are of outstanding quality. The pieces are all very similar in size, shape, and design except for very slight differences in this edge or that.
Each piece is labeled with very detailed information about how it will contribute to making the puzzle complete. To make it even more challenging a lot of the pieces are exactly alike! To complete the puzzle one must connect 265 of over 2000 pieces utilizing and balancing the information on each piece to produce the best possible finished product without using too many pieces of similar shape, size, or design.
When complete, over 1700 perfect pieces will be put back in the box.

Why?
Luck? Timing? Too many of the same size? shape? design? Only the puzzle maker knows....or maybe they don’t?

Holistically building a class is not so much about the pieces as it is about the puzzle.

The 1700 remaining pieces will go on to be part of hundreds of different and equally amazing puzzles.
 
cave9269 said:
Think of the class of 2024 as a puzzle. The box comes with over 2000 pieces but the finished puzzle can only be made up of 265 of those pieces. All of the pieces are of outstanding quality. The pieces are all very similar in size, shape, and design except for very slight differences in this edge or that.
Each piece is labeled with very detailed information about how it will contribute to making the puzzle complete. To make it even more challenging a lot of the pieces are exactly alike! To complete the puzzle one must connect 265 of over 2000 pieces utilizing and balancing the information on each piece to produce the best possible finished product without using too many pieces of similar shape, size, or design.
When complete, over 1700 perfect pieces will be put back in the box.

Why?
Luck? Timing? Too many of the same size? shape? design? Only the puzzle maker knows....or maybe they don’t?

Holistically building a class is not so much about the pieces as it is about the puzzle.

The 1700 remaining pieces will go on to be part of hundreds of different and equally amazing puzzles.
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That was awesome.
 
I hate to hear that anyone has been rejected from the USCGA, especially if it has been a dream of theirs for many years. My son is currently attending NAPS. Initially, in his mind, it was the same as a rejection. He did not want to go to school an extra year. He definitely did not fit in to the stereotypical service academy mold. He graduated from a small town public non magnet school. He did not have an ACT score that was near perfect , in fact it was very marginal at a 28. He only took 2 AP classes in high school. His GPA was below a 4.0. He played two sports and held very few leadership roles. He just finished his first semester at NAPS. He loves it there. He was appointed to a leadership role in his platoon and was the only USCGA candidate to play football . He attended numerous Navy games including the Big ARMY/ NAVY game where he sat in close proximity to President Trump. This is all being said to say that what may seem like a rejection might turn into something great. In no way, will this “rejection” in his mind affect his ability to serve the country as officer in the United States military. Please take the rejection or rejections as an opportunity for another door to open. I know an appointment to one of the prep academies in not a full rejection , but just wanted to tell my story. By the way, my son has outstanding grades at the prep academy all while playing football, holding a leadership roll, and moving hundreds of miles away from home.
 
eross889 said:
I hate to hear that anyone has been rejected from the USCGA, especially if it has been a dream of theirs for many years. My son is currently attending NAPS. Initially, in his mind, it was the same as a rejection. He did not want to go to school an extra year. He definitely did not fit in to the stereotypical service academy mold. He graduated from a small town public non magnet school. He did not have an ACT score that was near perfect , in fact it was very marginal at a 28. He only took 2 AP classes in high school. His GPA was below a 4.0. He played two sports and held very few leadership roles. He just finished his first semester at NAPS. He loves it there. He was appointed to a leadership role in his platoon and was the only USCGA candidate to play football . He attended numerous Navy games including the Big ARMY/ NAVY game where he sat in close proximity to President Trump. This is all being said to say that what may seem like a rejection might turn into something great. In no way, will this “rejection” in his mind affect his ability to serve the country as officer in the United States military. Please take the rejection or rejections as an opportunity for another door to open. I know an appointment to one of the prep academies in not a full rejection , but just wanted to tell my story. By the way, my son has outstanding grades at the prep academy all while playing football, holding a leadership roll, and moving hundreds of miles away from home.
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My DS is hoping he gets assigned to NAPS as he is a football recruit.
 
Good luck to him, I went to AFA Prep way back for football and loved it...It is a great year to get bigger, faster and smarter...
 
sanman said:
My DS is hoping he gets assigned to NAPS as he is a football recruit.
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Good luck to your DS! He will enjoy it but it is very challenging! My son said there is absolutely nothing you can do to prepare for what you will experience. The football players get very few if any exceptions. There were a few football players that quit mid season. One in particular was very talented and his brother already plays football for Navy. He told my son he hated every minute of the academy. Being talented academically is only a very small part of the equation .My son says the academy is not fun at all and the best way to survive is to find a way to make it enjoyable. Not an easy task!
 
1) freedom2019/ DS / white / 1480 / 3.9 / AP (Calc(5), Psych(5), Chem(5), Eng(4)) / varsity wrestling (state level + captain for 3 years) / 500+ volunteering hours/ congress nom/ Navy SEALs recommendation letters / but - got DQ for shoulder surgery in 2018 - with full release from the doctor, and wrestling after that on a state level. Oh - and ACT 36 in Math...
 
freedom2019 said:
1) freedom2019/ DS / white / 1480 / 3.9 / AP (Calc(5), Psych(5), Chem(5), Eng(4)) / varsity wrestling (state level + captain for 3 years) / 500+ volunteering hours/ congress nom/ Navy SEALs recommendation letters / but - got DQ for shoulder surgery in 2018 - with full release from the doctor, and wrestling after that on a state level. Oh - and ACT 36 in Math...
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I’m so sorry that happened! We had a very similar issue. My son thought he might be DQ’d . He fractured his back in football but did not have surgery. He had to take an entire year off of all sports. He received a full release from the doctor and NAPS accepted him. I guess there is no rhyme or reason to the selection process.
 
freedom2019 said:
1) freedom2019/ DS / white / 1480 / 3.9 / AP (Calc(5), Psych(5), Chem(5), Eng(4)) / varsity wrestling (state level + captain for 3 years) / 500+ volunteering hours/ congress nom/ Navy SEALs recommendation letters / but - got DQ for shoulder surgery in 2018 - with full release from the doctor, and wrestling after that on a state level. Oh - and ACT 36 in Math...
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So are you waiting on a waiver? Did they deny the waiver? Or did they just reject without considering a waiver?
 
freedom2019 said:
1) freedom2019/ DS / white / 1480 / 3.9 / AP (Calc(5), Psych(5), Chem(5), Eng(4)) / varsity wrestling (state level + captain for 3 years) / 500+ volunteering hours/ congress nom/ Navy SEALs recommendation letters / but - got DQ for shoulder surgery in 2018 - with full release from the doctor, and wrestling after that on a state level. Oh - and ACT 36 in Math...
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Wow. Incredible Resume. Hopefully they give you a waiver. We need individuals like you out there.
 
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