USMMA to the Air Force

Mr2020

U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19
@KPEngineer , I dont understand. Which is easier, systems or Shipyard Management? I'm focusing on these 2 for the ABET accreditation.
I would recommend pursuing a degree based on your interest in utilizing the education and not which is "easier". Also, what is easier for me may not be easier for you.
Not sure how it was in your day, but there's a clear consensus that systems is the harder major. There are very few athletes in systems, half the football team are shipyard.
 

KPEngineer

Eternal Father ...
10-Year Member
Not sure how it was in your day, but there's a clear consensus that systems is the harder major. There are very few athletes in systems, half the football team are shipyard.
Note the asterisk * and scroll down
 
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@Mr2020 , is shipyard management accredited by AACSB for the management portion of the degree, or is it only accredited by ABET?
I'm kind of wondering why straight Marine Engineering isnt accredited by ABET.

-I know that the AF likes STEM majors, and does Marine Engineering count as a STEM major?
 
@Mr2020 , If Shipyard requires more credit hours than Systems, how is it an easier major (Shipyard requires 177 credits while Systems requires 174.5 credits)? Is it due to the difficulty of the coursework, or something else? Thank you.
 
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@KPEngineer , If Shipyard requires more credit hours than Systems, how is it an easier major (Shipyard requires 177 credits while Systems requires 174.5 credits)? Is it due to the difficulty of the coursework, or something else? Thank you.
 

KPEngineer

Eternal Father ...
10-Year Member
@KPEngineer , If Shipyard requires more credit hours than Systems, how is it an easier major (Shipyard requires 177 credits while Systems requires 174.5 credits)? Is it due to the difficulty of the coursework, or something else? Thank you.
Differential Equations II and Machine Design vs. Project Management. Nothing else be said on the matter.
 

Mr2020

U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19
@KPEngineer , If Shipyard requires more credit hours than Systems, how is it an easier major (Shipyard requires 177 credits while Systems requires 174.5 credits)? Is it due to the difficulty of the coursework, or something else? Thank you.
Differential Equations II and Machine Design vs. Project Management. Nothing else be said on the matter.
The systems capstone is a serious project. Everyone says the shipyard capstone is a joke. I know physics III is only systems as well. Make no mistake, the highest intelligence and hardest working people at KP are in systems. The shipyard major is a lot of football players and people who don't care as much.
 

Mr2020

U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19
@KPEngineer , can you choose your major at KP, or are you given specific choices (such as only Systems or Transportation)? I am kind of keen on shipyard.
This is a bad question. But you can chose systems or shipyard. If your GPA is below I believe 2.7 or get setback by the end of plebe year you might be made straight engine. I know people that they did this to.
 

KPEngineer

Eternal Father ...
10-Year Member
@KPEngineer , can you choose your major at KP, or are you given specific choices (such as only Systems or Transportation)? I am kind of keen on shipyard.
You can start out whatever you like but as Mr2020 said, you may finish as something different and not entirely of your own choosing. I saw some very smart people drop systems and go straight engine. It can come down to the choice do you want to graduate with a systems degree or do you want to graduate at all.
 
@KPEngineer or @Mr2020 , straight engine means just Marine Engineering (not systems or shipyard), right? But if you graduate with a non-ABET accredited degree, will that effect your chances of going AD (and will the ADAF or ADN know that you dropped out of shipyard/systems, and will this negatively affect commissioning)?
 
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KPEngineer

Eternal Father ...
10-Year Member
@KPEngineer or @Mr2020 , straight engine means just Marine Engineering (not systems or shipyard), right? But if you graduate with a non-ABET accredited degree, will that effect your chances of going AD (and will the ADAF or ADN know that you dropped out of shipyard/systems, and will this negatively affect commissioning)?
You are waaaaay over analyzing things. You have three primary means of achieving your goal, everything else is just noise.

1. Get accepted to KP
2. Choose major based on what you would enjoy studying most
3. Study/work hard/smart and get good grades

If you do those three things you stand a good chance of getting an active duty commission in your service of choice. You will find graduates in all branches of the military in a wide variety of jobs and little to none of it had anything to do with their choice of major at KP.

There is a saying in the military, "bloom where you are planted" meaning don't worry if you got this job you didn't want or that job you wanted. Your path to promotion depends mostly on your performance within whatever job you have. This applies at KP too and begins the day you walk through Vickery gate for indoctrination.

Right now you are wasting energy worrying about majors and accreditation.
 

AKFutureFrogman21'

USMMA Candidate c/o 2024
No the Navy does not care about PFA scores. They commissioned a guy this year who had failed his PFA like 5 times and hadn't even passed when they offered him a commission. That is unless you are going seal or edo, in that case they care a lot. Nobody got into BUD/s this year.

You can get any job in the Air Force with a marine engineering degree. There's a test you take called the AFQ something. That may have a bearing on what job you get.
How often do USMMA Cadets get offered BUD/S slots? Do they go to the USNA SEAL Screener?
 

kpmom2013

10-Year Member
USMMA sends Midshipman (not Cadet) candidates to BUDS/SEAL training frequently. They apply to SOAS just like Naval Academy and NROTC Midshipmen do. They go directly from USMMA with no input from anyone at USNA. This year, there are eight USMMA Mids that I know of competing for an opportunity to attend SOAS next summer. They frequently work out together (a pretty crazy high-intensity training regimen) and they have a Naval Science mentor. The word of mouth is that USMMA Mids have a good success rate at SOAS and in completing BUDS, but I am not sure if anyone keeps stats on that. The group is small, but in my opinion, they are a very dedicated and high quality bunch of Mids.
 

AKFutureFrogman21'

USMMA Candidate c/o 2024
USMMA sends Midshipman (not Cadet) candidates to BUDS/SEAL training frequently. They apply to SOAS just like Naval Academy and NROTC Midshipmen do. They go directly from USMMA with no input from anyone at USNA. This year, there are eight USMMA Mids that I know of competing for an opportunity to attend SOAS next summer. They frequently work out together (a pretty crazy high-intensity training regimen) and they have a Naval Science mentor. The word of mouth is that USMMA Mids have a good success rate at SOAS and in completing BUDS, but I am not sure if anyone keeps stats on that. The group is small, but in my opinion, they are a very dedicated and high quality bunch of Mids.
That’s awesome- thank you.
 

Hockey10

New Member
USMMA sends Midshipman (not Cadet) candidates to BUDS/SEAL training frequently. They apply to SOAS just like Naval Academy and NROTC Midshipmen do. They go directly from USMMA with no input from anyone at USNA. This year, there are eight USMMA Mids that I know of competing for an opportunity to attend SOAS next summer. They frequently work out together (a pretty crazy high-intensity training regimen) and they have a Naval Science mentor. The word of mouth is that USMMA Mids have a good success rate at SOAS and in completing BUDS, but I am not sure if anyone keeps stats on that. The group is small, but in my opinion, they are a very dedicated and high quality bunch of Mids.
Class of 2017. 3 applied to Buds. 3 are still in the program
 
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