USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

[fleet_app8771]

This morning I noticed one of my recommendations, which was completed months ago, is now showing incomplete and says it was Sent to Evaluator last night at a odd time. Has this happened to anyone? Assuming this is just a glitch, but wondering if this means they may need additional information or there's a problem with that recommendation.

 

[justdoit19]

THIS MIGHT SOUND BAD BUT.. WIKIPEDIA... I personally trust wikipedia, but I understand the stigma of using it as a source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_congressional_districts

As long as you include ‘I read on wiki’ or ‘I heard’, and aren’t holding yourself out as an authoritative speaker on a subject, if you are not.

 

[OldRetSWO]

These stats are fine, this issue is knowing which senators have one vs two vacancies this year, plus we don't know the number of nominations someone has or that one specific person was "charged" to the MOC that nominated them. This makes the puzzle more complicated since no one necessarily has to be "charged" to the MOC or other nominating source that they were nominated by, and thus the puzzle can be switched around between one kid from Nebraska and one from New York. I remember seeing once seeing on a forum that at the end of plebe summer, plebes got the opportunity to send their grades back to the source they were "charged" to (and parents to, but which most declined to do) and that there were a fair number of kids who had never even heard of the person they were "charged" to. There is also only 535 members of congress times 5 vacancies which equals 2675 spots - far short of the approximately 4400 spots available per class. Some kids will be placed and the next 150 most competitive slots where the academy is required by law to take the next 150 most competitive/highest scoring applicants, and then an additional 400 plus to complete quotas for diversity, recruited athletes, NAPS, ect. Kids with LOAs may not necessarily be charged to the MOC that they are nominated by and could be charged to SecNav. There are several nominating categories that are possible and that you can be charged to. There is also the ranking system used by some MOCs, where kids have to be moved around where they are "charged" to fit in another kid ect ect. An example of this "puzzle" is an applicant from Baltimore could be charged to the 150 most competitive category and me from Kansas could be charged to his MOC if there aren't enough slots in Kansas. This is what makes the "puzzle" so complicated. If the academy wants you, they will do their best to find you a spot (notice I didn't say they will; at the end of the day, there still are only so many spots). The issue is competitiveness on both a local and national level, and in some ways (but not all), where you are from and the number of slots doesn't matter as much as how competitive you are.

Your numbers are way out of whack with reality.
There are approx 1200 candidates apointed to each class, not 4400. The 5 vacancies that an MOC has is across all four years so it is generally one per year and 2 every 4th year.
As you've already been told by another very experienced BGO, a candidate will not be nominated or "charged" to an MOC beyond their own district. What you call the 150 most competitive category is also known as "Additional Appointees" and they are NOT charged against their
nominating source such as their MOC.
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As for the story about plebes sending end of plebe summer grades to who they were charged against, it is pure fiction in so many ways. First and foremost is that in over 4 decades associated with USNA, I've never encountered Plebe Summer Grades and that is as a USNA graduate, USNA parent and BGO. I'm pretty sure that I would have encountered this sort of thing if it existed.

 

[OldRetSWO]

Although, I know who supposedly got the VP nom this year ......... so that one is off the table once their appointment is confirmed.

You know who all10 nominees are?
VP nominates just like a Congressman or Senator and can nominate for each of their allocated "slots".
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Just spitballing here but considering that USNA controls the VP nom and can see the Whole Person Multiple of each of candidates vying for the VP nom, my guess is that USNA looks for the highest scoring candidate who does not have any noms and fills the VP slot with that person. The next nine highest scoring candidates without a nom get the other nine noms and then are brought in as Additional Appointees since we already said they are high scoring.
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Of course, USNA could also use some of the VP noms for candidates that admissions particularly desires.

 

[dddad]

These stats are fine, this issue is knowing which senators have one vs two vacancies this year, plus we don't know the number of nominations someone has or that one specific person was "charged" to the MOC that nominated them. This makes the puzzle more complicated since no one necessarily has to be "charged" to the MOC or other nominating source that they were nominated by, and thus the puzzle can be switched around between one kid from Nebraska and one from New York. I remember seeing once seeing on a forum that at the end of plebe summer, plebes got the opportunity to send their grades back to the source they were "charged" to (and parents to, but which most declined to do) and that there were a fair number of kids who had never even heard of the person they were "charged" to. There is also only 535 members of congress times 5 vacancies which equals 2675 spots - far short of the approximately 4400 spots available per class. Some kids will be placed and the next 150 most competitive slots where the academy is required by law to take the next 150 most competitive/highest scoring applicants, and then an additional 400 plus to complete quotas for diversity, recruited athletes, NAPS, ect. Kids with LOAs may not necessarily be charged to the MOC that they are nominated by and could be charged to SecNav. There are several nominating categories that are possible and that you can be charged to. There is also the ranking system used by some MOCs, where kids have to be moved around where they are "charged" to fit in another kid ect ect. An example of this "puzzle" is an applicant from Baltimore could be charged to the 150 most competitive category and me from Kansas could be charged to his MOC if there aren't enough slots in Kansas. This is what makes the "puzzle" so complicated. If the academy wants you, they will do their best to find you a spot (notice I didn't say they will; at the end of the day, there still are only so many spots). The issue is competitiveness on both a local and national level, and in some ways (but not all), where you are from and the number of slots doesn't matter as much as how competitive you are.

To put it bluntly, this post is one of the least informed I've read on this site. My recommendation is that it should be disregarded in its entirety. Misinformation on top of misinformation.

 

[IronmanDaremo]

PMed you @OldRetSWO

 

[blinkus]

I might be wrong, but USMMA is the only SA where you can receive a nom from a different congressional district but not state.

 

[OldRetSWO]

I might be wrong, but USMMA is the only SA where you can receive a nom from a different congressional district but not state.

That is true but the candidate APPLIES for them, USMMA does not assign candidates to some other MOC's pool. As a congressional interviewer, I've interviewed several USMMA candidates nearly every year and they are often from other districts. The district that I interview for will generally have 70 or more total kids to interview for the academies in total but just a few of them are for USMMA and out of district make up over half of who I've seen at interviews.

 

[gop7265]

Did anyone else have to change their password for the portal today? It prompted me to change my password today. Just wondering if anyone else had the same experience.

 

[Bquiz44]

Does anyone know if Navy reviews applications based on when it was submitted or by region? Also, were there an abnormally high amount of turndowns this past week?

 

[blinkus]

That is true but the candidate APPLIES for them, USMMA does not assign candidates to some other MOC's pool. As a congressional interviewer, I've interviewed several USMMA candidates nearly every year and they are often from other districts. The district that I interview for will generally have 70 or more total kids to interview for the academies in total but just a few of them are for USMMA and out of district make up over half of who I've seen at interviews.

California USMMA applicants and their 60 MoC nomination applications and interviews . Apply to all sources right?

 

[justdoit19]

California USMMA applicants and their 60 MoC nomination applications and interviews . Apply to all sources right?

Depends on how bad you want it!

One could politely call and ask staffers if the MOC is open to nominating outside their district.

 

[OldRetSWO]

California USMMA applicants and their 60 MoC nomination applications and interviews . Apply to all sources right?

Do you think that many California districts get more than 10 applicants for the USMMA nom?

 

[Inprogress]

Do you think that many California districts get more than 10 applicants for the USMMA nom?

Not sure. I received a senator nom for USMMA this year. I know USMMA always send emails out to their applicants to reach out if they don’t have a nom as they will find a congressman in your state to contact etc.

Last year I applied for a congressional nom to USNA, received a USMMA nom. I would think many in CA are in the same situation that I was in.

 

[blinkus]

Do you think that many California districts get more than 10 applicants for the USMMA nom?

Probably not, it’s just funny to think about it though! You can never be too safe.

 

[desisoccermom]

Did anyone else have to change their password for the portal today? It prompted me to change my password today. Just wondering if anyone else had the same experience.

My DS changed it for the DoDMERB site. Not sure which portal you are asking about?

 

[gop7265]

My DS changed it for the DoDMERB site. Not sure which portal you are asking about?

Oh I was talking about the USNA portal. But, I think it may be because I have logged in so many times

 

[Urkillingmesmallz]

To put it bluntly, this post is one of the least informed I've read on this site. My recommendation is that it should be disregarded in its entirety. Misinformation on top of misinformation.

Your numbers are way out of whack with reality.
There are approx 1200 candidates apointed to each class, not 4400. The 5 vacancies that an MOC has is across all four years so it is generally one per year and 2 every 4th year.
As you've already been told by another very experienced BGO, a candidate will not be nominated or "charged" to an MOC beyond their own district. What you call the 150 most competitive category is also known as "Additional Appointees" and they are NOT charged against their
nominating source such as their MOC.
.
As for the story about plebes sending end of plebe summer grades to who they were charged against, it is pure fiction in so many ways. First and foremost is that in over 4 decades associated with USNA, I've never encountered Plebe Summer Grades and that is as a USNA graduate, USNA parent and BGO. I'm pretty sure that I would have encountered this sort of thing if it existed.

Sorry, not trying to spread misinformation. I guess I just misunderstood some things. Thank you for your clarification @OldRetSWO

 

[Lkt]

Sorry, not trying to spread misinformation. I guess I just misunderstood some things. Thank you for your clarification @OldRetSWO

I did the same thing last year and was properly schooled! What I’ve learned year 2 of this odyssey is that for the most apart this is an enigma wrapped in an enigma and you can understand the components and the stats and how they fit together but it won’t help you or you DD/DS get in, nor will it help you rationalize, or process when they don’t. Bottom line: you get in you get in; do everything in your power to put your best foot forward; wait and wait some more; but work while you wait and keep making yourself better; apply again and again and again….then maybe just maybe you’ll go to USNA! I mean it when I say good luck! It’s work and work and more work but then there’s a bit of luck and art that comes in at the end! Good luck all and GO NAVY!!!

 

[futureusmcmom24]

California USMMA applicants and their 60 MoC nomination applications and interviews . Apply to all sources right?

My DS applied to 11 additional out of district MOC for USMMA in NY ... 5 of those granted him interviews, got noms from the first two he interviewed with so cancelled the remaining interviews. Several wrote back that they would not consider out of district, but the extra applications definitely paid off! Worth doing!!