USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

IronmanDaremo said:
Maybe because there are often a buttload of kids that get selected from the NE and Mid-Atlantic. Generally a lot more than there are MoC spots.

I'd hazard a guess that this region makes up the bulk of the "puzzle" challenge that Noms and Appointments have to put together.
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Makes sense...I guess there will be no news soon.. NE kids should expect it later... maybe closer to Apr 15 :(
 
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blinkus said:
The U.S. is very big, sometimes it's hard to remember where the majority of people resides esp when a small state like Massachusetts has the same slots as a larger state of Arizona. Attacked is a map, from the 2020 censuses that took effect last year, of how much MoC spots there are per state, and it does seem like the bigger states (Cali, NY, TX, FL) haven't seen the flood of people as other states. @ARMARINE03 son took one of the spots in Arkansas (4) for sure! This should explain why the Northeast, and the two coasts in general, have seen little action. There's way more people in these states, meaning way more applicants, slates, and puzzle pieces... 🧩🧩🧩
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Wait do you mean MOC spots? like appointments per state?
 
blinkus said:
THIS MIGHT SOUND BAD BUT.. WIKIPEDIA... I personally trust wikipedia, but I understand the stigma of using it as a source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_congressional_districts
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These stats are fine, this issue is knowing which senators have one vs two vacancies this year, plus we don't know the number of nominations someone has or that one specific person was "charged" to the MOC that nominated them. This makes the puzzle more complicated since no one necessarily has to be "charged" to the MOC or other nominating source that they were nominated by, and thus the puzzle can be switched around between one kid from Nebraska and one from New York. I remember seeing once seeing on a forum that at the end of plebe summer, plebes got the opportunity to send their grades back to the source they were "charged" to (and parents to, but which most declined to do) and that there were a fair number of kids who had never even heard of the person they were "charged" to. There is also only 535 members of congress times 5 vacancies which equals 2675 spots - far short of the approximately 4400 spots available per class. Some kids will be placed and the next 150 most competitive slots where the academy is required by law to take the next 150 most competitive/highest scoring applicants, and then an additional 400 plus to complete quotas for diversity, recruited athletes, NAPS, ect. Kids with LOAs may not necessarily be charged to the MOC that they are nominated by and could be charged to SecNav. There are several nominating categories that are possible and that you can be charged to. There is also the ranking system used by some MOCs, where kids have to be moved around where they are "charged" to fit in another kid ect ect. An example of this "puzzle" is an applicant from Baltimore could be charged to the 150 most competitive category and me from Kansas could be charged to his MOC if there aren't enough slots in Kansas. This is what makes the "puzzle" so complicated. If the academy wants you, they will do their best to find you a spot (notice I didn't say they will; at the end of the day, there still are only so many spots). The issue is competitiveness on both a local and national level, and in some ways (but not all), where you are from and the number of slots doesn't matter as much as how competitive you are.
 
Waitandsee said:
Yes, but it is also more as well. If selected, I believe it is also true that they have identified the applicant as someone that meets the initial criteria of someone of interest to the USNA. Most importantly, it affords that soon to be high school senior that may have no experience or knowledge of the USNA an opportunity to see if this is something they want to pursue further. However, as many have stated here that where appointed with no summer seminar, if not selected for the summer seminar, it also has no impact on whether or not you get an appointment down the road. There are so many more steps along the way to an appointment for those that are accepted into the summer seminar and those that aren't.
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Yes, it also counts as a preliminary application as well. Great opportunity, but no prob if you don't go. It gives a 'taste' of what Plebe summer will be like. DS was a detailer for one of the NASS weeks last summer.
 
Lkt said:
As my DS is VA, I’ve been wondering the exact same thing. Whole Northeast really!:) it’s almost like they haven’t barely touched it! Maybe that’s just hopeful though! Good luck all!:) Personally pulling for you Blinkus!!!
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Remember that it is a Very small portion of the applicants & appointments posting here on this site. You can go back through past years and see different trends. There may very well be a large number of appointments already in the Northeast, but just not posted on this site.... As posted here ofter, You are in it until you are not. Attend to plan B, C, D while waiting.
"The waiting is the hardest part" - Tom Petty
 
Urkillingmesmallz said:
These stats are fine, this issue is knowing which senators have one vs two vacancies this year, plus we don't know the number of nominations someone has or that one specific person was "charged" to the MOC that nominated them. This makes the puzzle more complicated since no one necessarily has to be "charged" to the MOC or other nominating source that they were nominated by, and thus the puzzle can be switched around between one kid from Nebraska and one from New York. I remember seeing once seeing on a forum that at the end of plebe summer, plebes got the opportunity to send their grades back to the source they were "charged" to (and parents to, but which most declined to do) and that there were a fair number of kids who had never even heard of the person they were "charged" to. There is also only 535 members of congress times 5 vacancies which equals 2675 spots - far short of the approximately 4400 spots available per class. Some kids will be placed and the next 150 most competitive slots where the academy is required by law to take the next 150 most competitive/highest scoring applicants, and then an additional 400 plus to complete quotas for diversity, recruited athletes, NAPS, ect. Kids with LOAs may not necessarily be charged to the MOC that they are nominated by and could be charged to SecNav. There are several nominating categories that are possible and that you can be charged to. There is also the ranking system used by some MOCs, where kids have to be moved around where they are "charged" to fit in another kid ect ect. An example of this "puzzle" is an applicant from Baltimore could be charged to the 150 most competitive category and me from Kansas could be charged to his MOC if there aren't enough slots in Kansas. This is what makes the "puzzle" so complicated. If the academy wants you, they will do their best to find you a spot (notice I didn't say they will; at the end of the day, there still are only so many spots). The issue is competitiveness on both a local and national level, and in some ways (but not all), where you are from and the number of slots doesn't matter as much as how competitive you are.
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You cannot be charged to a MOC you are not nominated by. If you live in Kansas you can’t be charged to a MOC, any of them, in Maryland. Not how it works.
 
blinkus said:
….2020 censuses that took effect last year, of how much MoC spots there are per state,
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These are just MOC spots. Each state also has 2 Senators. I live in a Midwest state with 1 congressman, but 3 students were Appointed to USNA last year (that I know of).
 
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Also, just because someone has already been offered an appointment, it does not mean that they have already been "assigned" permanently to nomination source. There is always some flexibility in how Noms and Appointments builds the class. While someone from a certain state (AZ used as the example) may come from a place with very few potential sources, it doesn't mean that is where there appointment will be booked in the long run.

Yes, more than likely if someone only has one nom source, chances are they will be assigned there when appointed, but it is no guarantee.

What I'm saying is, even if you win your slate and are assigned to that source, there can be anyone else taken from that slate at any given time at the discretion of the Academy assuming that person is eligible for some other source that the Academy can assign. It could be a year where an MoC source is assigned two of their five slots. Or, the Academy can assign someone else to that slate and put the other person to another discretionary nom. As long as in the end, the team builds the class using all the appropriate sources fully assigned.

Although, I know who supposedly got the VP nom this year ......... so that one is off the table once their appointment is confirmed. :bleh2:
 
In my small state in the Mid Atlantic with 1 Rep, 2 Senators, we had 7 appointed to USNA for class of 2027.

I have no idea how any of their nominations were charged, but, here’s what I know of other possible nomination sources for the group of 7:

- 2 JROTC
- 1 Presidential
- 1 NAPS

One of the JROTC was also the Principal nom for one of our Senators. So, who knows how their spot was actually charged. For DD, she only had one nomination from the non-principal process Senator so it’s likely that’s who she was charged to. The scuttle was it was one of the years where one of the MOC had two slots allocated.

One of the advantages of a small state where everybody knows each other is you can make an educated guess of nom sources!

As for timing, in my state, in past years it seems the appointments tend to drop mid March.
 
BlueHen2005 said:
In my small state in the Mid Atlantic with 1 Rep, 2 Senators, we had 7 appointed to USNA for class of 2027.

I have no idea how any of their nominations were charged, but, here’s what I know of other possible nomination sources for the group of 7:

- 2 JROTC
- 1 Presidential
- 1 NAPS

One of the JROTC was also the Principal nom for one of our Senators. So, who knows how their spot was actually charged. For DD, she only had one nomination from the non-principal process Senator so it’s likely that’s who she was charged to. The scuttle was it was one of the years where one of the MOC had two slots allocated.

One of the advantages of a small state where everybody knows each other is you can make an educated guess of nom sources!

As for timing, in my state, in past years it seems the appointments tend to drop mid March.
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There is also the National Pool. Areas that are highly competitive will have many appointed from here. It’s why I have 6 appointed from one school. I have also seen 8-10 off a slate routinely get appointed in a highly competitive area. The area I currently live in we cover two districts. We usually have about 12 appointed from our area. It’s a decent area for athletic recruits as well. USNA knows how to make it work year in and year out.
 
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