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Bruce doesn't even sound good. If you want Jersey talent, go with Meatloaf.
Pima- I appreciate the diversion. I like Springsteen and he surely is the Jersey guy- I am not sure that Born in the USA is a 4th of July song for me as it is a pretty bitter set of lyrics, but since music is relational/ associational, if it brings up associations of the beach, fire works, BBQs and generally all of the stuff that goes on the 4th for you- then it is a valid nominee for the title in my book! ( The power of music association is pretty potent- I can never hear Rod Stewart's Maggie May without being transported to High School years- a couple of bars and suddenly I am a teenager laying in bed in my parents house listening to that playing on my clock radio again!) So The Boss and Born in the USA make the list if you say they do! How about the rest of you? What music or group conjures up the 4th of July for you? I saw the Beach Boys on the Mall in DC on the 4th of July almost 3 decades ago- so they are it for me. The 1812 Overture and the Boston Pops also jump to mind ( odd how a Russian composition about the battle for Moscow in 1812 would become a standard US Independence Day offering). Any others?
They had the power to end it immediately, instead of "eventually." Stroke of the pen---and it's over. Yet they chose to do what was easy, instead of doing what was right.
Bruce doesn't even sound good. If you want Jersey talent, go with Meatloaf.
Yes, of course. Lip service opposition of something wrong but acceding to it anyway is a reason for praise? Seriously?
They had the power to end it immediately, instead of "eventually." Stroke of the pen---and it's over. Yet they chose to do what was easy, instead of doing what was right.
I wouldn't have included a lie stating "all men are created equal." Sounds good on paper, but not even close.
Let's turn around the "what would you do?" question -- f you were a black slave and read such a lie about "all men created equal" in the supposed "freedom document" knowing that the same men who just lied on paper were then going to come home and sell your family as easily as they sell the fall crop--what would you do?
Impressed with a firm and settled conviction, and more especially being thought by that inestimable and invaluable instrument, namely, the Declaration of Independence, that all men are born free and equal, and consequently are endowed with unalienable rights, among which are the enjoyments of life, liberty, and the pursuits of happiness.
Viewing these as incontrovertible facts, we have been led to the following conclusions; that our forlorn and deplorable situation earnestly and loudly demand of us to devise and pursue all legal means for the speedy elevation of ourselves and brethren to the scale and standing of men.
And while there is definite shame that slavery was in the end not addressed as part of this Declaration, and the men who authored and signed it left this cancer to be addressed in a very bloody fashion by this nation in later years, to question the difficult choice they faced, and the courage needed based on the risk they took, well.... I guess your civics lessons were a little lacking.
Bravo said:I wouldn't see it as a lie, because it's not. All men are created equal......
But don't take my word for it - take Richard Allen's. He actually was a black slave who worked to buy his freedom...
Bravo said:Now, hopefully to hop off of the contentious point / counter-point merry go round we're on, I hope we both can agree that we ought to be thankful for the right to air our opinions and engage in vigorous debate? Noticed your tagline is a quote from Justice Brandeis, a rather big proponent of the Constitutional right of free speech as I recall...
Whitney Houston - best rendition of the National Anthem ever - hands down, IMHO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1QmeEdFOSc
And she's a Jersey girl as well, correct?
Absolutely, which is even more astounding that some in this thread would seek to attack me for expressing a contrarian viewpoint.
I don't believe that YOU have been attacked. There have been some eloquent and inspired posts to dispute your "contrarian viewpoint" but none to attack you personally. OTOH, your posts have seemed to attack those who disagree with you. Maybe dial it back a notch?
So you don't consider being called a "troll" an attack.
Now point out where I've attacked anyone.
It's ok to try to make a point, but don't lie to do it.