What will you do after?

linkgmr said:
These people aren't against you. They are trying to help you. You are not doing yourself any favors by continuing to post in this thread.

As for why people are saying these things...

You seem to think you are unbreakable in a mental sense, if not a physical one. This simply isn't true. Everybody has a breaking point. Everybody has a limit to what he or she can take. There are no superheroes or supersoldiers. If you think otherwise, you are going to get a rude awakening, whether it be at USMA or anywhere.

You seem to think that your admission to USMA is more or less assured. It doesn't work that way, and it is arrogant to assume otherwise. Fact of the matter is, there were more people who deserved to get into SAs this year than were actually accepted, far more. It is my impression that luck, I.E., where you live and how competitive your district/state is has as much, if not more to do with whether or not you get an appointment than what your actual qualifications are.

On another note...I didn't think you could even BE an officer and a Delta Force Operator. 18As are one thing, but, as I understood it, only enlisted guys could even attend Delta Force selection. Could be wrong, though.

And I have a question for 2012 - Why would you even tell a cadre member your long term goal of being an operator when you know the act of doing so might cause them to PT not just you, but your buddies as well? I mean, if it were just you, that's one thing, but if you're putting your buddies on the line just so you can look hard.... I'm sorry, but that just doesn't seem like something a good leader does.
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Never said I was "unbreakable", but only that I wouldn't be bothered for that particular reason is all. I never said either that my USMA slot was assured, have only stated what I would do if I were accepted and was in the given situation in question. As for the Delta information, I am sorry to hear you were misinformed, and hope a veteran here can clarify that officers can be selected for Delta Force.

As for the last comment, I have a clarification: Only if a cadre member asked me specifically if I wanted to be in SF would I state so, to uphold honesty. And if my buddies were "to be punished for me" in any case, I would seek to make sure, through measure, that they were not punished for me, whatever it may be (i.e. asking that they not punish my buddies, etc. measures)
 
And here I thought this was about where people want to go with their careers.
 
scoutpilot said:
And here I thought this was about where people want to go with their careers.
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I want to be polite to you, as you are a veteran who has served our country, and will try again to be neutral with you. It is or was, per se, until it was veered off course by AF bringing up his point, which began the previous issue.
 
2012, you're being a punk. Shut up and quit wasting everyone's time.
 
BeatNavy said:
2012, you're being a punk. Shut up and quit wasting everyone's time.
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Please...no need to start anything anymore! Cant we all be friends?:thumb:

No but seriously, lets not have people going back and forth for another nine pages!
 
2012Cadet said:
Never said I was "unbreakable", but only that I wouldn't be bothered for that particular reason is all. I never said either that my USMA slot was assured, have only stated what I would do if I were accepted and was in the given situation in question. As for the Delta information, I am sorry to hear you were misinformed, and hope a veteran here can clarify that officers can be selected for Delta Force.

As for the last comment, I have a clarification: Only if a cadre member asked me specifically if I wanted to be in SF would I state so, to uphold honesty. And if my buddies were "to be punished for me" in any case, I would seek to make sure, through measure, that they were not punished for me, whatever it may be (i.e. asking that they not punish my buddies, etc. measures)
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How do you know that you wouldn't be bothered? Do you have any idea what they can do? Basically, for all of Beast, they own you. Ponder that, for a second.

I've never heard anything about officer selection. If I'm wrong, I would really like a veteran to clarify that for me, but I'm not exactly sure I should take your advice alone on this one.

As for your buddies being punished for you....It doesn't work like that. You don't get to choose. If you ask them not to, it only increases the chance that they will. Wherever you end up, you'll be a leader, first and foremost. Screwing over your buddies is not a leadership trait.
 
BeatNavy said:
2012, you're being a punk. Shut up and quit wasting everyone's time.
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What is wrong with this guy...as people want it resolved, I'm closing and trying to make amends and understanding as to what I was saying.
 
scoutpilot said:
And here I thought this was about where people want to go with their careers.
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linkgmr said:
How do you know that you wouldn't be bothered? Do you have any idea what they can do? Basically, for all of Beast, they own you. Ponder that, for a second.

I've never heard anything about officer selection. If I'm wrong, I would really like a veteran to clarify that for me, but I'm not exactly sure I should take your advice alone on this one.

As for your buddies being punished for you....It doesn't work like that. You don't get to choose. If you ask them not to, it only increases the chance that they will. Wherever you end up, you'll be a leader, first and foremost. Screwing over your buddies is not a leadership trait.
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Well...they probably most likely don't want to maim or kill you.

As for the last issue...I would expect anyone else who had similar aspirations, if directly asked, to be honest with themselves and their cadre. Cadre, despite their PTing you and making your life "miserable" during Beast, want to ultimately mold you into a leader and see you become a good officer, correct? So, should one be mad at the cadre for PTing you? They only want what will mold you into a better leader, right?
 
2012Cadet said:
Well...they probably most likely don't want to maim or kill you.

As for the last issue...I would expect anyone else who had similar aspirations, if directly asked, to be honest with themselves and their cadre. Cadre, despite their PTing you and making your life "miserable" during Beast, want to ultimately mold you into a leader and see you become a good officer, correct? So, should one be mad at the cadre for PTing you? They only want what will mold you into a better leader, right?
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Maim or kill...Probably not. But there's worse things. They can make your entire squad hate your guts. And you know how the saying goes "Cooperate and Graduate". Nobody makes it through alone.

Yes. They do. But, fundamentally, a good leader and officer looks after his guys.
And in your case, I wouldn't be mad at the cadre for PT'ing me. I would be mad at myself for letting my buddies down and forcing them to pay for my arrogance.
 
linkgmr said:
Maim or kill...Probably not. But there's worse things. They can make your entire squad hate your guts. And you know how the saying goes "Cooperate and Graduate". Nobody makes it through alone.

Yes. They do. But, fundamentally, a good leader and officer looks after his guys.
And in your case, I wouldn't be mad at the cadre for PT'ing me. I would be mad at myself for letting my buddies down and forcing them to pay for my arrogance.
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Fair enough...so I should lie?
 
Let me settle this simply:

The average cadre member will be far too busy getting ankle-deep in your fourth point of contact (airborne term, google it) for the continuous, novel, and seemingly endless list of mistakes you'll make from reveille to taps to ever bother asking what you, in your miniscule knowledge of the military, think you might want to do with your career. You're going to be PTed for all the other crap you mess up.

That's if you even make the cut to get accepted as a new cadet.

So. Let's. Find. Another. Subject.
 
scoutpilot said:
Let me settle this simply:

The average cadre member will be far too busy getting ankle-deep in your fourth point of contact (airborne term, google it) for the continuous, novel, and seemingly endless list of mistakes you'll make from reveille to taps to ever bother asking what you, in your miniscule knowledge of the military, think you might want to do with your career. You're going to be PTed for all the other crap you mess up.

That's if you even make the cut to get accepted as a new cadet.

So. Let's. Find. Another. Subject.
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Okay, then...thanks for the clear up, scoutpilot.
 
2012Cadet said:
Fair enough...so I should lie?
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There's a difference between lying and being an a******. What you're suggesting, right there, is crossing that line.

So what if your final goal is SF? First, you have to graduate, serve some time, and THEN go to selection. Focus on long term goals first, like graduating, and getting your commission, and keeping your guys alive. Up till then, SF is just a pipe dream.

Didn't see scoutpilot's post when I hit 'reply'. Yes. Let's find another subject.
 
USASOC spends enough money on recruiting that "SF" isn't just a pipe dream.

In the end you are a reflection of the job your cadre will do. Yes they will correct you. Yes, PT can be very very uncomfortable, and can break you...but if you're doing your best, they want you to succeed. They should not set you up for failure. Don't lie. I wouldn't volunteer too much information about myself either. You want to be a fly on the wall. Do what they tell you to do, to the best of your ability. Do people want to be Special Forces, SEALs, Rangers etc....sure. That's appealing to some, and not to others.

I spent the last week traveling from SOCOM in Tampa, NAB Little Creek with the SEALs, Fort Bragg with USASOC with SF and Rangers, and AFSOC in FL....

I have a ton of respect for those guys, but it's not for me. Professionals and good at what they do. There are MANY MANY important non-SpecOps missions out there...they may not all make for great movies, but they are just as important.

Your plans may change, but don't hide dreams just because it's one of those "everyone wants to do it" kinds of things.

I wouldn't broadcast my dreams just because you don't want to be a lightning rod over the summer, whether you want to be a Green Beret or a Quartermaster...
 
LineInTheSand said:
USASOC spends enough money on recruiting that "SF" isn't just a pipe dream.

In the end you are a reflection of the job your cadre will do. Yes they will correct you. Yes, PT can be very very uncomfortable, and can break you...but if you're doing your best, they want you to succeed. They should not set you up for failure. Don't lie. I wouldn't volunteer too much information about myself either. You want to be a fly on the wall. Do what they tell you to do, to the best of your ability. Do people want to be Special Forces, SEALs, Rangers etc....sure. That's appealing to some, and not to others.

I spent the last week traveling from SOCOM in Tampa, NAB Little Creek with the SEALs, Fort Bragg with USASOC with SF and Rangers, and AFSOC in FL....

I have a ton of respect for those guys, but it's not for me. Professionals and good at what they do. There are MANY MANY important non-SpecOps missions out there...they may not all make for great movies, but they are just as important.

Your plans may change, but don't hide dreams just because it's one of those "everyone wants to do it" kinds of things.

I wouldn't broadcast my dreams just because you don't want to be a lightning rod over the summer, whether you want to be a Green Beret or a Quartermaster...
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No disrespect to you and yours, but let's maybe leave Army advice to Army people.

Cadet2012, when and if your time comes, SFAS will be a grueling chance to prove that you have what it takes to be a detachment commander, an ODB commander, and a well-rounded Special Forces officer. Until then, your best bet is to focus on the 100-meter target of getting a nomination and offer of admission. Until then, what questions the cadre might ask you are purely theoretical.
 
Luigi59 said:
Your post show a LOT of disrepect. :thumbdown:

Since when did you become the judge of who is qualified to answer a post? :thumbdown::thumbdown:
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I respect your take on it. However, I don't think that LineInTheSand, despite his many, many valuable posts on here, is qualified to speak in any way on what it takes to become a US Army Special Forces officer. I certainly wouldn't attempt to tell any of our young USCGA members or candidates what it takes to get into any of the Coast Guard's selective programs, or attempt to measure their chances thereof.

I'm not "judging" anyone's posts...I'm simply pointing out that the best thing for our young members might be for us older folks to avoid the temptation to pontificate and remember our core competencies and areas of expertise, in order to allow them to get the most accurate picture.

If that's disrespectful to you, I apologize. But as we say in 5th Grp...tough cookies.
 
scoutpilot said:
No disrespect to you and yours, but let's maybe leave Army advice to Army people.
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I'm going to assume you will also remember that when attempting to lecture Coast Guard officers on the Coast Guard....right Tom?
 
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