Would I have enough to get into West Point?

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  1. Saralee

    Saralee Member

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    gpa- 4.69, senior in high school with all honors classes and take 5 college classes, I am in national honor society, rank number 7 out of 160 kids, play varsity tennis, in debate, crime stoppers, key club, precipitated in town beautifucation project, teacher tennis lessons, and has over 200 volunteer hours this year plus has already completed everything on West Point application and already turned in paper work for nomanation, I passed my fitness also , what chance does it look like that I might get appointment for West Point?
     
  2. jl123

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    The process is too complicated for anyone to be able to give you an accurate assessment of your chances. The most important factor is your WCS score which is built from academic (60%), leadership (30%), and physical (10%) results .

    Academic: Top 5% of class - excellent in a very important statistic. You don't give test scores, which is probably the most important academic factor. Good GPA, but you don't say what courses. Math, English, Physics, and Chemistry are the most important.

    Leadership: Several activities, but no leadership positions listed.

    Physical: Only accounts for 10% so as long as you pass and are close to the average it won't help or hurt very much. A borderline pass or low score in an individual event may cause some concern.

    Spelling & Punctuation: Presumably, you edited your essays meticulously and performed well on the ACT/SAT Writing section. Nomination committees and admissions will look closely at the quality of your writing. Questionable writing in an otherwise solid application will be reviewed by the English Department - USMA English instructors are notoriously picky.
     
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    What @jl123 said. No one here can “chance you” because there’s too much we don’t know. But couple things for you to consider so you can “chance yourself”:

    — Go onto USMA website and find their latest class profile. You’ll see how you stack up on some basic stats, including the very critical SAT/ACT scores. If you’re in the middle 50% (or around the mean/median), that’s a promising sign.

    — The fact that you’re in top 5% of your high-school class is a good start. USMA will look at your school’s profile, along with your transcript, to determine whether you took the hardest classes your school has to offer. (Usually that’s AP calculus, chemistry, English, US history, etc., but if your school has limited AP offerings, you won’t be penalized for that.)

    Best wishes to you.
     
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  4. Yankee23

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    Race/ethnicity can/will play a role in your admissions process too. Geographical competition, or how many people in your area wants to apply and are competitive can/will also play a role.
     
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    Here is a class profile. Where do your stats fall in with the data points of these admitted Cadets? How many categories can you highlight?
     

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  6. jack192

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    I'm a plebe and to be honest I know a lot of people who aren't as qualified but still got in. It comes down to your state competitiveness and luck
     
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  7. CrewDad

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    Based on what you provided very unclear if you qualify. As Jl123 mentioned you are missing many attributes to qualify you. Keep working to max out in every aspects of your App and Package!
     
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    kinnem Moderator 5-Year Member

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    @Saralee Perhaps you forgot, but I didn't see any mention of leadership roles.
     
  9. CrewDad

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    @Saralee. You look like a good student perhaps a top academic student at your school by your GPA standard. Nevertheless, you need to be a standout how you present yourself. Like you are doing for other nation’s top 20 schools. Here’s what we’re asking you to present better to SAs and colleges. You need to be multi dimensionally strong but with depth in quality not necessarily in quantity. One dimensional is limited. If your ECs are academically related and you are a participant in most of those ECs then you are one dimensional. A competitive team based ECs will always score higher. It’s good to have a balance of both team and individual ECs. Individual where you exceed beyond norm and peer Best.

    Leadership: can be from your Tennis - Captain - i.e. played since middle school 6th grade. City county state champion etc

    Leadership - school club president VP. What impact does it have to your school community.

    Service Hours - what impact are you making. Are you leading these service projects. Name few that made impact to a community.

    SAT/ACT - you should be prepared to have top score in your district since you are competing against perhaps 1 or 2 or 3 others for 2-4 spots from your district with district and senator noms. So if your district has high score you need to have one of the highest test scores.

    Your rank and GPA are fine but ACT/SAT has the highest weight to Academic points totaling 60%.

    Your CFA - are you at least above average in all segments?

    DODMERB - did you qualify

    Nomination - did you get at least one?

    If you have all these above average standing relative to your district then you are in the game and competing. Not necessarily the most competitive.

    Be sure to apply to ALL ROTC Scholarships (Army, Navy, Air Force) in case you go to regular college with ROTC Program. Apply to all services since depending on colleges you get accepted, they may have limited ROTC Programs available. Some Army some Navy some Air Force. Pick the college that has on campus program. Off campus programs are harder to manage. If you don’t get in to SA, you are still going to college. So you can still pursue commissioning through ROTC. To some ROTC is a better path. SA is not for all, especially if you’re not seeking a full time military life in college. SAs are full time military and full time college. And you must be very physically fit, able to run well, Swim well if Navy, multi task at all times, be ok to get yelled at at all times, be a good follower, willing to volunteer for others, be accountable to others, willing to take part in corporate punishment on things you didn’t do wrong but one or two others did wrong, work with 50-60% of your free time to academics and remaining to other Company, Athletics or Varsity, Military duties. Any remaining time you have you can join clubs. You have very little personal time during Plebe AC year. You get to go home twice each semester. Other time once or twice a month you get off campus privileges but must stay within 35 miles of your Academy. At a Civilian college, you are like other civilian students. Even as an ROTC Cadet, you can go and stay as you wish. You just have to time manage all your schedules and live in a larger normal civilian community. At the Academy, they will manage your schedule and time for you. Depending who you are this can be great or this can be miserable. Be sure to explore both paths to Commissioning.
     
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  10. CrewDad

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    @Saralee. Based on your call sign you appear to be an Asian. Unlike at top 20 schools in the Nation, Asian women have better chance than Asian men for admissions to SAs. Why, because still not many Asian women apply to SAs. But the number is growing. Asian men applying to SAs, especially USNA, USMA USAFA compete against other Asian men and less against others. About 70 Asian men fill classes at these 3 Academies. Other 20-30 are Asian women. At West Point about 80% of Asians are Korean ancestry. It is the Gen McArther, Gen Eisenhower legacy Koreans are all too familiar from the Korean War. At USNA and USAFA 60%+ of Asians are of Korean ancestry. Koreans have a very positive culture of service in the military. So if you are Korean, it is even more challenging to get Appointment to SAs. SAs and all colleges breakdown all ethnicity in admissions even though most colleges say it is not a factor. In practice, it is a factor when admissions is building a class. You will have to have a real stellar background to compete for Appointment at these SAs. You have to be in most circumstances an IVY MIT STANFORD quality + have a clear demonstrated leadership + athletics + medically qualify + obtain a nomination. And most of these Koreans are with ACT SAT ranging 34+ and 1500+. Korean Americans make up an incredibly talented and dedicated mix of Cadet/Midshipmen Corp and Brigade at SAs. In the class of 2022, USNA has 10 Kim’s alone. Kim make up over 11% of Asian Americans in Plebe Class. I read this on the Plebe class shirt. At my son’s district farewell, 15 came out to meet and greet Congressman and the new 2022 Class to SAs. 5 were Asians and 4 among 5 were Koreans and 1 female Asian. From this sample alone 33% Asians to 4 Nom required SAs, 20% Asian female and 13% female in the total pool. We live in a 80% White district. So if you meet Asians and Koreans at SAs, you can bet they were top students and candidates with extraordinary achievements from their districts. I met 3 Korean American Prepsters at West Point, from California to New York, in my 30+ years interaction with West Point. I’m sure there are more but that is my sample. Some Asians from this group turned down Harvard, Yale, Georgetown to attend USNA USMA. Asians are not URMs so you cannot play that card, in fact, you have to be a standout. SAs normally admit <7% Asians. If you include the mixed ethnicity, Asians and Asian mix can run up 15%. That is double the National make up. You can find most of this info on the Academy profile so I’m not making an educated guess. You can, however, play the Asian American female card to your advantage. You will need to position it well. Good luck!
     
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  11. usmajy

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    I am genuinely curious what you mean by this statement. What “card” do you believe Asian American women have?
     
  12. CrewDad

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    Like any under represented applicants, although slowly growing, I have observed over the past 30 years that Asian Women still have small presence at SAs. Mostly due to lack of interest to attend SAs rather than the lack of opportunities. Thus likely to be given a stronger look by admissions as SAs are receiving and increasing women applicants. This is my personal opinion based on growing evidence so does not represent the views or practice at SAs. Class of 2022 has been a record number of female Plebes at all or most SAs. There is no physical card or special privilege card you can use, rather a statement.
     
  13. jl123

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    CrewDad's intuition is correct. USMA sets class composition goals that are largely met through Additional Appointees (AA), the remaining 200 - 400 appointments that may be made from the pool of qualified candidates without consideration of order of merit.

    From the minutes of Board of Visitors meeting June 14, 2012 (percentages have likely changed since then):

    The Academic Board in conjunction with the Army identifies the following as Class Composition
    Goals for Admission. These goals are reviewed and adjusted annually or bi-annually as needed:

    a. Scholars >30%. A scholar is defined by high academic (CEER) score above 650.
    b. Leaders >25%. A leader is defined by high community leadership score (CLS) above 650.
    c. Athletes 18-23%
    d. Women 14-20%
    e. Soldiers 7-10%
    f. Minorities 25-30%
    i. Blacks 12-15%
    ii. Hispanics 9-12%
    iii. Asian 4-6%
    iv. Native Americans >1%
     
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