AF ROTC Enrollment Allocation Results

[aglages]

CH24, NO they are not guaranteed unless they have a specialty scholarship...i.e CSO/ABM...not sure about nursing, but think they are too.

Caveat it isn't guaranteed, but the board will give them preference. I.E. if they are carrying at least the AFROTC min (2.5), PFT and commander's rec. than they will be fine.

My understanding (at least for Nursing) is that HSSP Nursing majors must compete for SFT as non-tech majors, but with a desirable AFSC (additional points?). While they may not need a 3.4+ CGPA (such as many non-tech applicants) to compete they will need at least a 3.0 - 3.1+ CGPA similar to the engineers (tech majors) competing.

In addition, Nursing majors are not guaranteed a Nursing AFSC. More competition:

"Premed, Nursing and Other Medical-Related Major If you are applying for one of these majors, you will compete for a nontechnical scholarship. Be advised that if you receive and activate a scholarship in one of these majors, you are not guaranteed that specialty upon commissioning. After you complete your freshman, sophomore or junior year, you must compete on the prehealth, nursing or biomedical science corps designation boards to receive the Air Force designator for that specialty. The designator guarantees you will enter that specialty upon commissioning. If you are not selected on one of these boards, you will retain your scholarship, but you will enter the Air Force as a line officer upon being commissioned and be accessed into a specialty based on the needs of the Air Force."
http://afrotc.com/scholarships/high-school/schools-and-majors/

 

[Pima]

Agagles,

Thanks for the info. It was always in my mind that they were more protected than the avg cadet since their career field is considered critically manned.

I have not seen the CSO/ABM scholarship, but I thought they were guaranteed.

What I think you are saying to me is that their degree and the career field give them an edge, and thus, the fear is less when it comes to SFT.

This may be the most difficult part of trying to understand AFROTC. Each year is different and when you factor in unusual/unexpected circumstances like RIFs and Sequestration, it is difficult to predict with any certainty how matters will be handled.

Our kids truly have seen it all. They were in when the rate was 55% for SFT. They were in when ICSP was cancelled, when OCS was cancelled, and than a yr later everyone got an ICSP, OCS was back, and SFT had 93/94% rate****

**** The true problem IMPHO is kids heard 93/94% rate, but didn't ever ask how many of the cadets(200) were put up for SFT...100%, or 60%? If it was 60% the fact is the number never changed regarding chances. The only thing that changed was when they were told. Dec./Jan before submitting to the board of March with the results.

It is all raw numbers...This is truly the 1st yr in 4 yrs that there will be less than 2000 cadets at SFT. If sequestration did not occur, it would have been around the same class size of 2009. AFMPC still wanted 2000 +/- cadets for the yr group just like the yrs before.

They have maintained a status quo. In 2 yrs from now they may cancel mini-boards, they may decide they need 1500. Telling a 200 don't worry I was a 500 and was not dis-enrolled without looking at the ADAF big picture does no good to them.

The cadre knows the numbers, or has an inkling. Cadets don't. They don't yet understand the long term MPC plan, the CoC as an O6, meeting O4, O5 and O6 boards gets it regarding yr groups and boards. Like I said before RIF and SERB's, were their life as an O1-O3.

We are here to support, and guide, but nobody sits on the boards. If they do they have don't a great job keeping their mouth shut. They are not going to release classified info on a forum. That is why every post here is pure speculation.

Good luck to all, you might not believe me, but this will help in the long run as a POC. You will be able to walk the GMC's through regarding their fears. Just don't promise them something that is unique to your yr group.

 

[aglages]

What I think you are saying to me is that their degree and the career field give them an edge, and thus, the fear is less when it comes to SFT.

Correct! While more confident (less fear), they still need to compete for SFT slots and meeting AFROTC minimums won't be enough. Plus, as you've mentioned many times; many of these HSSP/ICSP Nursing majors have civilian (college based) scholarships that require 3.0+ CGPAs to avoid losing. Any 100 or 200 Nursing Major competing for a SFT slot would be well advised not to assume that they will receive one with a CGPA below 3.0. Might happen, and probably has happened during more economically prosperous times, but not something you should rely on with the current AF situation. JMPO...

 

[spartandad]

field training

DS is a 200 majoring in mech eng. He has a 3.3gpa and a 99.7 on his PFT. He is in AAS and a 26ACT he has a type 7 high school scholarship. What are his chances?

 

[aglages]

Provided he received a favorable recommendation from his Det Com and under "normal" circumstances I'd say he has a very good chance of being selected for SFT. This year? It's anybody guess.
Good luck to you and your son!

 

[Pima]

+1 agagles,

It would be wrong for any of us to chance him. Not one of us works at AFROTCHQ.

It doesn't help you and I know that. It s*cks. That being said we could all say he's in, and make you feel comfortable for the next 2-7 days, but if he calls in 4 days and says the opposite.
2 things happen, beside your heart sinking.

1.It sinks deeper because you were sure from posters here.
2. Credibility is lost on the forum.

It s*cks to be you as a parent. I know the feeling that everytime the phone rings and it is their number on the caller ID you are bracing yourself before you put on the happy voice so they don't think you didn't go to sleep last night worrying about it, and woke up in the morning wondering.

600 will be cut, but it appears to me everyone assumes that it will be like previous yrs and they are dis-enrolled. Nobody should think, because nobody knows AFMPC manpower needs for FY 15.

Yes, you all want to be that 1500 that go, but if they take the 600 and make them 500's does it really matter? Come May 2015 they will still commission. Isn't that the true goal? Commissioning!

Don't assume the 600 will be dis-enrolled. Have faith that the AF has taken these extra weeks to plan on how they will get them through so they will commission May 2015. Let's be honest if you are one of the 600 you will be happy that they took the time to work it out so you will know in Sept. what the path will be.

Trust.

 

[impulse224]

DS is a 200 majoring in mech eng. He has a 3.3gpa and a 99.7 on his PFT. He is in AAS and a 26ACT he has a type 7 high school scholarship. What are his chances?

That's pretty good scores for a tech major to be honest. Obviously it's a crap shoot at this point. We have 70% of or cadets on scholarship (all tech majors) and most have GPA's in the 2.7 area.

On a side note, We have non techs that have high PT scores, and GPA's of 2.8 - 3.5 with mediocre ACT scores. In the past they've gone as long as they've gotten middle or above commander rankings. This year will most likely be different unfortunately. All of our non techs are all FY 15's and Tech Majors are FY 16 which might make a difference as well since this year is so unique, but again who knows that they are planning on doing.

PIMA - Can you explain to me what 500's are? In my Det 500's are cadets that are on a 5 year program, go to FT after AS200, but once they complete their AS400 year they become AS500s. Is that the same thing?

 

[S72004]

I agree those are pretty good stats.

Especially for a tech-major. I would say that he has a pretty good shot. I know this has been mentioned countless of times regarding scholarships. But they just don't hand those out to just anyone. I think he will be fine.

 

[aglages]

We have 70% of or cadets on scholarship (all tech majors) and most have GPA's in the 2.7 area.

Keep in mind that cadets are competing on a national level. While I am not positive, I think a 2.7 at MIT might carry more weight than a 3.2 at Arkansas State. Like you said... it's a crap shoot at this point and all any of us can do is guess. All will be revealed soon...

 

[Pima]

Maybe I had the number 500 wrong. This is what I recall.

100 freshman
200 sophomore that was in as a freshman
250 sophomore that is 1st time AFROTC
300 jr. ---attended SFT
400 sr
500 jr that has yet to go to SFT. They will than become a 300 after SFT.
700 5 yr program after completing 400.

That was what I recall, somebody else can correct me. At our DS graduation ball, a cadet there was a 700. He was graduating in Dec., thus, he actually completed the AFROTC program per se.

 

[aglages]

I believe Pima is correct (again).
http://www.af.vt.edu/courses.html

Cadet Status

Cadets' experience falls into the following categories:

• AS 100, first-year student
• AS 200, second-year student, preparing for Field Training
• AS 250, first-year cadet with prior college experience; dual-enrolled in AS 100 and AS 200
• AS 500, completed first two years but has not yet attended Field Training
• AS 300, third-year student, finished Field Training
• AS 400, fourth-year student, ready to commission
• AS 700/800, fifth-year student, Extended Cadet

 

[impulse224]

Ok thanks, I must have been mistaken then because that sounds right. they go form 400 to a 700.

 

[GemStateMom]

+1 agagles,

It would be wrong for any of us to chance him. Not one of us works at AFROTCHQ.

It doesn't help you and I know that. It s*cks. That being said we could all say he's in, and make you feel comfortable for the next 2-7 days, but if he calls in 4 days and says the opposite.
2 things happen, beside your heart sinking.

1.It sinks deeper because you were sure from posters here.
2. Credibility is lost on the forum.

It s*cks to be you as a parent. I know the feeling that everytime the phone rings and it is their number on the caller ID you are bracing yourself before you put on the happy voice so they don't think you didn't go to sleep last night worrying about it, and woke up in the morning wondering.

600 will be cut, but it appears to me everyone assumes that it will be like previous yrs and they are dis-enrolled. Nobody should think, because nobody knows AFMPC manpower needs for FY 15.

Yes, you all want to be that 1500 that go, but if they take the 600 and make them 500's does it really matter? Come May 2015 they will still commission. Isn't that the true goal? Commissioning!

Don't assume the 600 will be dis-enrolled. Have faith that the AF has taken these extra weeks to plan on how they will get them through so they will commission May 2015. Let's be honest if you are one of the 600 you will be happy that they took the time to work it out so you will know in Sept. what the path will be.

Trust.

Pima, you are inferring that 500's can still graduate and commission on schedule? Do they double up on POC classes their senior year? Thanks!

 

[Fayt42]

I'm a 500 and this is my last shot at FT. I had to extent my graduation because cadre told me I couldn't double up classes.

 

[S72004]

From my understanding, you cannot take AS300 classes if you haven't completed FT. Meaning that you don't move on as a 300 and stay as a 500.
So when you come back as a 500, you will attend LLAB and PT but you do not attend any AS classes.

However, I know that you can double on AS300/AS400 classes in certain cases. But that is after completing FT.

 

[GemStateMom]

I'm a 500 and this is my last shot at FT. I had to extent my graduation because cadre told me I couldn't double up classes.

I wish you the best of luck! So you took an extra year of college? If cadets can't double up and graduate on schedule, then it really is a much larger financial burden than just missing one year of stipends - you are adding a whole year of college (after most high-school based scholarships run out). I know that it is really worth the wait if you can still commission, but it really does add an extra financial burden.

 

[aglages]

Pima, you are inferring that 500's can still graduate and commission on schedule? Do they double up on POC classes their senior year? Thanks!

My (limited) understanding of how AS 500 status works is that you can graduate on time but you will still have another year of AFROTC classes before you can commission. The one Cadet that I have heard about took one year of post grad classes while she was finishing up her AS400 year. That was 3 years ago so things may have changed.

 

[Fayt42]

I wish you the best of luck! So you took an extra year of college? If cadets can't double up and graduate on schedule, then it really is a much larger financial burden than just missing one year of stipends - you are adding a whole year of college (after most high-school based scholarships run out). I know that it is really worth the wait if you can still commission, but it really does add an extra financial burden.

Thanks >.< I'm going to need it since I really don't know that my chances are. I transferred schools and ended up being a 250 as a Junior. Now I'm a Senior and I'm just hoping that my student loans aren't as bad as I imagine when I'm done with everything.

 

[spartandad]

Thankyou

thankyou for the responses. We are new to the military family and we are so proud of our son. He doesnt attend MIT but it is a very good school with a excellent engineering program, Michigan State. I guess the thing that worries us most is his ACT score. He has always been very athletic and very involved in community events. Although his score was only a 26 he had a 30science and 29 in math. I guess you figured out his english was not that great. Anyway thanks for all the info this forum has helped!

 

[719Frontier]

Anxiously Awaiting

I've been following this thread for a couple days now and finally made an account. I'm and ftp cadet this semester so I am in the same situation as many of you waiting for slots to come out. I guess the best thing any of us can do is be optimistic and have faith in the system! Any cadet who has made it this far deserves something--its no easy feat.