Helicopter parents and you

Just after he started LDAC his travel orders came in the mail, we saw that the ROTC HR had him flying out of the city his school was in, which was 5 hours away, instead of Seattle. Since our son was in the thick of LDAC and would not be able to contact us until a couple days before it ended I called the HR and we got the travel arrangements changed. Is that a helicopter parent, I sure don't think so.

I'm assuming he forwarded you his orders. He had no part in making the orders? Did he think about getting that straightened out before he went to LDAC (I'm not sure what that is because I wasn't ROTC). Honestly, dealing with your sons orders for him certainly seems like a helicopter parent thing to do.



My entire time as a cadet, my parents were involved with one thing. During the application process I got hung up in DODMERB and my MD father talked to the DODMERB MD about the issue, and what length I would need to go to check the DODMERB box for that old and then irrelevant issue. It was all in medical terms, blah blah blah, I don't think I would have been much good in that discussion. Advice came back and I did what I had to do, and eventually got the waiver.


That was the first, and last time my parents were directly involved. I wrote to my parents over Swab Summer. They wrote back, just updates on how things were at home. My friends wrote to me too. Sure on ROUGH weeks during my next 4 years I would call and vent. I never felt like i needed to check in. They certainly weren't pushing me to call.

Beyond a doctor talking to a doctor after the application process had been completed, that's where they stopped being directly involved.
 
Right now my son is FAR too busy with REALLY important STUFF to even think about the Academy - I don't think I've heard a peep outa him about the subject in two weeks- REALLY important STUFF - like his Senior Prom - Ahhhhh to be 18 again.... :rolleyes:

NAW.

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I hope that either the BFE or TWE shows up soon - that way I can start spending his college fund in front of him if he gets the BFE, or I can tell him to "get a job" for the summer and provide him with a list of room and board rates.... Maybe put a padlock on his door and the fridge... Hmmm

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AWESOME! We don't have much time left to torture our kids. Best make the most of it. :wink:
 
Well, there goes the theory that enlisted are more "Helo Parent"-immune than cadets!

Probably good to remember, he was close to his house. So we went off, from Washington state to boot camp in Cape May, NJ, only to return to WA. When he got back to the area, he went down hill.

His mother wasn't showing up at the boat, he was showing up at her house. I don't think he would have had the issue he had if he was on the other side of the country and at sea for 2 months at a time. No mommy showing up in the middle of the Atlantic. Except for mine, of course, since me father was King Nepture and me mother was a mermaid.
 
Well, there goes the theory that enlisted are more "Helo Parent"-immune than cadets!

No; that theory is still strong. Remember, we're talking about the PARENTS, not the 17 year old. Most parents, even me to a point, see their cadet at the academy or ROTC as a "College Student". Parents of enlisted don't see it the same. Their son/daughter isn't automatically coming home for thanskgiving, xmas, spring break, or summer vacation.

Now; does that mean that there aren't some parents of enlisted members who are helo-parents. Of course there are some. No one ever said that enlisted were immune from having a helo-parent. Don't read into what is written. Simply that 1) It's less common for enlisted to have helo-parents, because the parents mindset is that their "Baby" has indeed left the nest; not just "Off to College". and 2) Because of the number of possible visits, homecomings, etc... it's easier to be an academy/rotc Helo-Parent than an enlisted helo-parent.
 
No mommy showing up in the middle of the Atlantic. Except for mine, of course, since me father was King Nepture and me mother was a mermaid.

I see what you did there.

That this is even an issue blows my mind. No self-respecting cadet/mid should even want a helicopter parent. Parents realize that this is both embarrassing to their child and does them a huge disservice in the long run, right? Right??
 
I'm assuming he forwarded you his orders. He had no part in making the orders? Did he think about getting that straightened out before he went to LDAC (I'm not sure what that is because I wasn't ROTC). Honestly, dealing with your sons orders for him certainly seems like a helicopter parent thing to do.



My entire time as a cadet, my parents were involved with one thing. During the application process I got hung up in DODMERB and my MD father talked to the DODMERB MD about the issue, and what length I would need to go to check the DODMERB box for that old and then irrelevant issue. It was all in medical terms, blah blah blah, I don't think I would have been much good in that discussion. Advice came back and I did what I had to do, and eventually got the waiver.


That was the first, and last time my parents were directly involved. I wrote to my parents over Swab Summer. They wrote back, just updates on how things were at home. My friends wrote to me too. Sure on ROUGH weeks during my next 4 years I would call and vent. I never felt like i needed to check in. They certainly weren't pushing me to call.

Beyond a doctor talking to a doctor after the application process had been completed, that's where they stopped being directly involved.

You have got to be kidding me.

Not that I feel the need but here is a bit of explanation for you.

Yes, my son did forward a copy of his orders to us because we were listed as his transportation to the Airport so we needed to know his flight times.

Yes, son handled his own orders, we didn't know anything about them other then when he was reporting since we live close we also were listed as the party that would drop him off at Ft. Lewis since he would be at home the month before LDAC started.

Yes again, he had it "Straightened out before he left school, at that point the orders were correct.

Your right, you don't know about LDAC or AROTC or how the orders are cut from Cadet Command.

My son had his orders taken care of before he left school. Since we live close to Ft. Lewis, where LDAC is held, he made arrangements ahead of time for us to be able to pick him up so he could spend a night at home before he flew to Ft. Bragg. His orders had him flying out of Seattle the day after LDAC. A week after he had started LDAC the HR at his ROTC for some reason decided to change his orders to have him fly out of the airport next to his school which is a 5 hour drive from where we live. The HR somehow thought this was a good idea and thought they were doing him a favor. Since the HR knew we were picking him up and were now responsible for getting him to the Airport they sent us a copy of his revised flight orders so we knew where to take him, they also sent a copy to LDAC which he would not get until a couple days before graduation. The copy of the orders were addressed to us and had a letter included asking us if this was correct and acceptable, again because we were responsible to get him there. The HR asked us to call if there were any questions. Yes I called, I talked to her and explained that the original orders were correct and that we had planned to take him to the local Airport that was listed on the original orders. The HR apologized for her mistake, thanked us for getting back to her and clearing it up. She changed the flight orders that day back to the original orders.

Now call me what you want, if that's a helicopter parent then so be it.

I'm sure someone will call it hovering because we picked him up at LDAC to spend the night at home with his family. Of course there were a lot of hovering parents, wives and husbands doing the same thing that day so it must be an epidemic.

Next time have somewhat of a grasp of things before you make a snap judgement.

Since you now seem to have a firm handle on the workings of Army ROTC battalions, Cadet Command, and how the Army ROTC handle their orders I will make sure my son checks in with you the next time he has any questions.

Now everyone can go back to competing to see who is the best parent or just how much you did things on your own. Now I know the rules, don't talk to your kid more then once a month, don't ever try and advise them on anything. and for God's sake don't offer any help, because our parents Never helped us, at least not that we choose to remember.
 
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I think I'm going to drive to USMA today to check in on my kid, and while there meet with his TAC officer to ask him to tell me what sorts of things my DS has been doing. I'm thinking that I might also check out the mess hall to see what nutrition he's been getting. Good idea? Or Helo Parent?
 
Ah, well that takes me back to my "Men who stare at goats" days when I could read your mind. I'm rusty on that now.


The story you present is not as "bad" as the one liner you gave earlier.

No need to have your son run anything through me for approval.... too much rotor wash can get a little dangerous.
 
I think I'm going to drive to USMA today to check in on my kid, and while there meet with his TAC officer to ask him to tell me what sorts of things my DS has been doing. I'm thinking that I might also check out the mess hall to see what nutrition he's been getting. Good idea? Or Helo Parent?

Only a good idea if you also feed him while you're there, lick the napkin and clean those cheeks. :thumb:
 
Sure have to do a lot of reading in this thread to find the snippets of good information. The stuff in between can be mildly entertaining though.
 
But it's Plebe-Parent Weekend, LITS!!!! Isn't the SA supposed to feed us parents?????:wink:

No, that's what grandparents are for. Service academies cannot be trusted to feed or take care of anyone. What's why it's very important for parents to hold the hands of their cadets or midshipmen for 4 years, and if possible into the service! :biggrin:
 
Of course people will read what they want to, and interpret it how they want to.

The truth is: Everyone here knows what a TRUE Helicopter-Parent is. Even the Helo-Parent knows they are one. Every situation is different. That has been said by just about every person here. Yet, individual scenarios are being debated. Waste of time. You all know if you call too often; give unsolicited advice; offer unnecessary help; etc...

EXAMPLE: (Being some want to dice scenarios). When I was still active duty, married with children, I probably didn't need my parent's assistance with probably anything. However, I did have my father-in-law handle some bank/financial/investment issues for me. I was sitting in the sandbox without regular access to phone or internet service.

This obviously doesn't constitute a helo-parent. But mom or dad calling up a LOCAL bank to their cadet to get information about opening an account, loans, credit cards, etc...; especially if the cadet didn't ask for the help; probably constitutes a border line helo-parent. Picking up dirty laundry once a week and dropping off clean laundry probably constitutes a helo-parent. (Worse yet if the cadet WANTS THIS SERVICE).

Again; we all know what a TRUE Helicopter Parent is. If a person argues the obvious helo-parent attributes, then they are in denial and probably are a helo-parent.
 
Mike,

I agree. If a person argues this issue, and IMPO there is always the same explanation somewhere for the Helo parent as their defense.

"I am sorry you don't understand my actions because I love my child"

Leaving the recipient to think/say:
HUH? Excuse me? Are you saying I don't love my child?

It is a rationale mechanism for their behavior.

Now with that said, some might think I agree with LITS when it comes to Jcleppe.

I don't.

I saw Jcleppe's position not as a helo parent, but a parent who is saying are you F'ing kidding me here? I now have to do a 10 hr road trip?

I would have done the same thing if LDAC is like AFROTC SFT. The minute they report cell phones are taken away just like BCT. All there is for the cadet is snail mail starting day 1. DS did not get his phone back until the night before he flew home.

This was not heloing. This was interrupting my life too, and trying to logistically work it out with the fact that the person in the equation is not able to "talk".

We all will step over that helo line until the last breath in our body. Accept that fact, but as I stated before stepping over, and jumping back is one thing. Stepping over, pulling up a chair, cracking open a bottle of beer or wine and making yourself at home is another.

I love Bullet's aunt to the ends of this earth, but she is a helo. Her DS is a helo child. He went to the USNA, he in his last yr at the academy was driving back to NY constantly, at least 1X a month...no GF, just to see the folks. He went to UPT, offered an assignment in Hawaii... no GF, turned it down to take the one in Maine to be near the folks.

Many helo's are the way they are because they are co-dependent on each other with regards to their child, just like LITS was illustrating regarding the enlisted member.
 
What do parents think of helicopter parents? Alumni, cadets and midshipmen have often mentioned helicopter parents, but as a parent, what have so seen?

How much do you want to know? My mother and father checked in to make sure I was "happy" or "doing ok", offered supportive words, but that was really it. In fact, my mother wasn't 100% what my rank was, even after graduation.

When do you stop focusing on an academy. There are a number of parents on SAF whose kids have long left a service academy.

Do you stay around if your daughter or son is disenrolled? What it's in the first year, offering your opinion?

I'm new to this service academy/ROTC thing. I work in the admissions department of a university, though, and I've pretty much seen it all, up to and including parents writing the kids' application essays and throwing monstrous hissy fits when their kid is held to a deadline or some other immutable standard. (We had an application deadline that fell on a Saturday once; you would not believe the number of people who became very indignant and frustrated when we didn't accept it on the Monday following. "You weren't even HERE that day! Why ISN'T two days later just as good!?" Oh, the humanity.) It's usually pretty clear which applicants are doing the work and which ones are having their parents do it.

I plan to help advise the kid (as soon as I get it figured out, myself; it's alphabet soup to me now) on how to put his best foot forward, but I figure a life in the army is going to mean, for better or for worse, a lot of paperwork: if that's what he wants, ds had better get used to red tape now.

In this regard, I have to say Boy Scouts has been excellent preparation. The consequences to not crossing every t or dotting every i or not thinking through the contingencies are low, and the kids have lots of opportunities to fail safely. The troop leadership just informed a scout that he won't be going to Philmont because he didn't make it to any of the mandatory preparatory campouts or hikes that were scheduled months in advance. No big deal -- lots of boys never get to hike Philmont and do just fine in life, and there is always the next trip -- but maybe an important (and expensive) lesson about following through on his commitments now will save him a more painful one later. His parents are, of course, threatening to sue.
 
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