March 8th, 2011 AROTC Board

FloridaDad said:
I have a feeling the March results will be released a lot quicker. No way they can afford to leave it until mid-late April and only offer one school. What they did at the last board is already causing chaos with transfers.

I can see a situation where a lot of 4-year scholarships get handed over to the PMS/ROO's this fall.
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paradoxer said:
Yes it's the last scheduled board. I doubt anyone on the planet knows when the results will be available. The results after the first board were announced after about 3 weeks, the second board about 7 weeks. Many of this forum believe those in control realize a majority of schools have deposit deadlines looming and won't delay another 7 weeks - time will tell.
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Yes, only time will tell, but I feel like my clock is broken:biggrin: Or at the very least I'm living that Bill Murray Groundhog Day movie. Having a difficult time keeping optomistic this time around.

DS has shown interest in a new major, so some direction is emerging. He's thinking Sociology w/a Criminology concentration, minor in History or English - law enforcement or pursuing a law degree later in his still hoped for military career. Both school #1 and #2 offer good programs and this could make it easier to decide(whenever the board decides to release results) I tend to agree with FloridaDad, but Paradoxer reminds us all that CC is never predictable:wink:
 
Chances are they won't release the next round of scholarship offers until they get back the accepted/declined offers from this last round. As they gave everyone until March 31st I believe, it should be after this date. CC probably wants to see what was accepted. I would think that the beginning to mid of April will be when the dust has settled and CC has decided what they are going to offer in the next round and how they are going to handle transfers.

Remember, last year the last board didn't release results until after that May 1st deadline that everyone is talking about. I personally know 3 people who had to decide upon their schools without knowing whether or not they received the scholarship.

Good luck to everyone. Hopefully the wait will be over very soon.
 
cjs said:
Chances are they won't release the next round of scholarship offers until they get back the accepted/declined offers from this last round. As they gave everyone until March 31st I believe, it should be after this date. CC probably wants to see what was accepted. I would think that the beginning to mid of April will be when the dust has settled and CC has decided what they are going to offer in the next round and how they are going to handle transfers.

Remember, last year the last board didn't release results until after that May 1st deadline that everyone is talking about. I personally know 3 people who had to decide upon their schools without knowing whether or not they received the scholarship.

Good luck to everyone. Hopefully the wait will be over very soon.
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cjs, what were the dates on that last board from 09-10 season, I know you've referenced it before, I just can't recall.

The really big difference for this board will be the fact that January board award winners weren't given multiple choices, so CC already has a lock on where they can accept or not. I do not believe anyone has mentioned CC ever limiting school choice to 1 or 2 options before. This could be a game changer for more timely results. It will be a mess for transfers(glad I don't work at CC support:wink:), but it could allow for early April results.

Again, for those newer to the forum, realize, all we do is speculate -- no one knows for sure except CC - often times even our favorite ROOs are left in the dark. The results will be released when they are released.
 
Ohio2015Parent said:
Again, for those newer to the forum, realize, all we do is speculate -- no one knows for sure except CC - often times even our favorite ROOs are left in the dark. The results will be released when they are released.
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Boy if that isn't true. I read a post from yesterday by someone that said they had talked to their ROO and he said that CC had cut the amount of scholarships in half this year. They also said that only 1/3 of the offers had been made.

This only goes to show that there is even speculation from the ROO's and it vary's from school to school. By the way the math doesn't add up to the statements made. a little over 2500 scholarships were given last year, if that number is cut in half that would mean roughly 1300 would be given this year. So far this year it has been estimated that they have given around 1200 offers on the two boards, that does not equal 1/3 if the scholarships have been cut in half.

I guess what I'm saying is that Ohio2015Parent has hit the nail on the head. For all of you waiting for the results of this board, take everything with a grain of salt and don't fall into the speculation trap. Trying to second guess this process is like trying to figure out what the heck was happening on the TV show "Lost", just can't be done.
 
I don't think they are too worried about returns and transfers from the January board. Lots of scholarships still in the pot this year and even after the boards there will be a lot unallocated.

I think CC are planning on a lot more in school scholarships this fall.
 
FloridaDad said:
I don't think they are too worried about returns and transfers from the January board. Lots of scholarships still in the pot this year and even after the boards there will be a lot unallocated.

I think CC are planning on a lot more in school scholarships this fall.
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Until the last scholarship is offered nobody really knows just how big the Pot is this year.

Applicants need to understand that in school ( Campus Scholarships ) are not a sure thing. Not every school will have them, my son's school had none to give last year and have no idea if they will have any this year. Other schools may have several to give, a lot will depend on the school you go to.

Make sure, if you do not receive a CC Scholarship that you attend a school you can afford. Don't go to a school that you could only attend if you have a scholarship with the assumption that you can easily get a campus scholarship. The DoD budget is being cut, how that effects ROTC and scholarships is unknown until the dust settles.
 
FloridaDad said:
I don't think they are too worried about returns and transfers from the January board. Lots of scholarships still in the pot this year and even after the boards there will be a lot unallocated.

I think CC are planning on a lot more in school scholarships this fall.
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If I was a gambler, I'd agree with you. Until something in writing with my DS's name on it is in my mail box, CC is capable of doing any number of crazy things. I do love to speculate and try to guess what's going to happen:wink: I just hate when others get caught up in it and then have their hopes dashed too.
 
FloridaDad said:
Not going to read too much into that. They are a private college with fees of $28k a year and fairly mediocre academic standards.....shouldn't get any government money IMO.
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I think you don't understand SMCs and the role they play in our military.
 
tonk002 said:
Hmm. What information you are basing this statement off of?
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He is misinformed. Norwich received 55 scholarships, but Dartmouth (one hour away) received ZERO from the last board.

All of the SMCs are wonderful schools and produce many fine leaders.
 
Agreed. Norwich, VMI, The Citadel, TAMU, VT, and NGCSU are all fantastic places. Im headed up to visit Norwich tomorrow for the second time. Its a great school with a record for military success and some fantastic academic programs, just like VMI and the other SMCs. The SMCs are all home to top ROTC battalion's in all branches.
 
tonk002 said:
Im headed up to visit Norwich tomorrow for the second time.
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Good luck!!! tonk, you should definitely do an overnight stay at any SMC or ROTC outfit you are considering. My DS did an overnight at USMA, and it basically sold him. But he's going to do an overnight at ROTC once the admissions decisions start rolling in. My DS's ambitions, however, are different than mine (he is primarily interested in pre-med, rather than Infantry).

By the way, the biggest benefit from an SMC is guaranteed active duty. This hasn't been an issue for the past 10 years, but it will be a MAJOR benefit over the next 10 years. Active duty as a commissioned officer is the real benefit of pursuing any commissioning path, even if it is just for four years. I don't mean to say that NG or Reserves is bad, but active duty is pretty intense.

For me, SMC path was the right fit.
 
My point was in an age of restricted public funding the ROTC budget should and probably will drift away from private colleges. As for academics many private colleges have fairly low entrance requrements and a high percentage of applicants get places.

Some State schools have seen allocations remain strong and even slghtly increase. I think some private colleges like Norwich might be fighting for their lifes in the next decade.
 
FloridaDad said:
My point was in an age of restricted public funding the ROTC budget should and probably will drift away from private colleges. As for academics many private colleges have fairly low entrance requrements and a high percentage of applicants get places.

Some State schools have seen allocations remain strong and even slghtly increase. I think some private colleges like Norwich might be fighting for their lifes in the next decade.
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You may be right, FloridaDad. But I think Senior Military Colleges will remain in a different category than a similarly situated civilian private schools, given that they are 24/7 military. Statistically, I think applicants for an ROTC scholarship have a much higher chance at a private SMC than at a state school, regardless of admissions standards.
 
patentesq said:
You may be right, FloridaDad. But I think Senior Military Colleges will remain in a different category than a similarly situated civilian private schools, given that they are 24/7 military. Statistically, I think applicants for an ROTC scholarship have a much higher chance at a private SMC than at a state school, regardless of admissions standards.
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Don't know a lot about SMC or private schools, and not looking to get flamed, but...

IF the Army is trying to control AD officer numbers, wouldn't slowing entry into SMCs and SA(as I've read here on forum is already happening) be the best place to cut? ROTC cadets know its dog eat dog for AD, the Army can simply put the number they need AD and let them fight it out, whereas WP and the SMC are guaranteed, less control/flexibility for Army in upcoming manpower decisions.

Like I said, no dog in this fight, just a random observation - DS looked into NGSCU and VMI at times during this process, had we realized the AD situation was going to change 2 years ago, he may have pursued NGSCU more agressively.
 
Ohio2015Parent said:
Don't know a lot about SMC or private schools, and not looking to get flamed, but...

IF the Army is trying to control AD officer numbers, wouldn't slowing entry into SMCs and SA(as I've read here on forum is already happening) be the best place to cut? ROTC cadets know its dog eat dog for AD, the Army can simply put the number they need AD and let them fight it out, whereas WP and the SMC are guaranteed, less control/flexibility for Army in upcoming manpower decisions.

Like I said, no dog in this fight, just a random observation - DS looked into NGSCU and VMI at times during this process, had we realized the AD situation was going to change 2 years ago, he may have pursued NGSCU more agressively.
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Congress has expressly prohibited any reduction to SMC:


(d) Termination or Reduction of Program Prohibited.— The Secretary of Defense and the Secretaries of the military departments may not take or authorize any action to terminate or reduce a unit of the Senior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps at a senior military college unless the termination or reduction is specifically requested by the college.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00002111---a000-.html
 
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