deleted non-constructive post.Training for what. Operational Coast Guard uses Tall Ships?
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deleted non-constructive post.Training for what. Operational Coast Guard uses Tall Ships?
They had strategic reasons for giving weapons to Iraq and look what that got us!
Trackandfield answered your question. Google could have too if you were actually interested.
Flyovers are always cool whether at graduation or a football game. I really enjoy them. However, even without the budget situation, if someone was to tell me this cost and ask should we do it. I would say no, too much money for what we are getting. That's just me though and I am accused of being cheap by my dear wife from time to time.For those thinking they can finance a Thunderbird show, remember that the $200,000 tab for fuel (if accurate) is just the beginnning of the costs involved. The Thunderbirds arrive several days before the show for practice flights and map out landmarks they will use for the show. They come with a C-130 that flies in their maintainers and show staff (a couple dozen people in addition to the pilots) along with spare parts and electronics for the show. Add up all of their time and lodging costs in the COS area for the time that they are all there. Then you have the maintanace and repair costs on the jets for the flight time involved. Going off the team's budget numbers of $112 million to support the team for 60 show a year, the cost per show is more like $1.866 million.
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Like I said, I get your point, and as you already know CG does not use tall ships. I deleted my post that prompted your response.Trackandfield did not answer if Operational Coast Guard use tall ships. Operational Coast Guard take request for ceremonies with Eagle. I do know the purpose of Eagle. DS was interested in attending USCGA. Still if Homeland Security were to decide to elliminate Eagle and train Swabs some other way to save money I would understand the importance of EAGLE to Coast Guard Academy family, friends, and alumni.
There seems to be little empathy from our Coast Guard brothers in arms. If homeland security decided to do away with Eagle I would understand your feeliings/concerns about politician playing games with a symbol that is dear to all USCGA graduates.
Frankly I don't care what YOU think...I'm tired of your snide comments on our forum...I couldn't careless you went to CGA...etc...you never served in my big Air Force...why don't you stay in your own forum?...but I guess not too many people are commenting enough on CG forums and you have nothing better to do.....Ahhhh Go to Navy forum and stay there...since you wrote you "almost" went there. But wait...you went to CGA instead...so they probably don't care about your useless comments either...annnnywaayyyy I'm just one Big Air Force retiree opinion.
Trackandfield did not answer if Operational Coast Guard use tall ships. Operational Coast Guard take request for ceremonies with Eagle. I do know the purpose of Eagle. DS was interested in attending USCGA. Still if Homeland Security were to decide to elliminate Eagle and train Swabs some other way to save money I would understand the importance of EAGLE to Coast Guard Academy family, friends, and alumni.
sorry to bring up such a heated topic...my badFolks...
While I understand the passions where this topic is concerned; and trust me, as a grad/pilot/officer...I really have serious "feelings" in this vein...
The personal "slant" that is occurring is very detracting from the purpose of the thread and our forum.
Please end the personal comments; take them offline, and let's get back on track.
Thank you!
Steve
(Wearing his mod hat tonight)
Then again, the Coast Guard has always had to do more with less so maybe we're just used to it. Welcome to to the other side of the tracks DOD.
There seems to be little empathy from our Coast Guard brothers in arms. If homeland security decided to do away with Eagle I would understand your feeliings/concerns about politician playing games with a symbol that is dear to all USCGA graduates.
Trackandfield did not answer if Operational Coast Guard use tall ships.
T&F, this is perfect.
As the child of a US Army career guy (29 years and still refusing to retire that man) I've seen my fair share of big military, and it looks like it's finally being cut down to size. Maybe not in the way it should be, but cut none the less. And yes... welcome to our ballpark where we've been doing more jobs than ever with a budget smaller than the cost of the average nuclear submarine.
You're right no empathy from our service, we're used to being screwed out of a budget and having to cut things. Ever wonder why we kept getting criticized over the response to BP in the beginning weeks? Because believe it or not, although we're tasked with oil spill clean up and emergency response, we can't afford to have a team sit around and train for the eventuality years down the road. We have to wear 900,000 different hats with a service smaller than the size of NYPD because we don't have nor have we ever had, that budget.
And if you want to scuttle Eagle to the bottom of the Thames, you'll have my vote and the vote of every single cadet onboard the Academy.
Uh oh, "my child was interested in CGA"... we have an expert folks.
I understand your budget concerns. I support your need for increase funding. But, your budget beef should not be with USAF, US Army, or USN. Coast Guard is fund thru Homeland security not DOD. You are competing with Border Patrol, ATF, CIA, FBI for funding. Putting down the US Military due to your funding woos will not help the Coast Guard. The DOD could not make a difference if they tried.
Uh oh, "my child was interested in CGA"... we have an expert folks.
Uh oh, "USCGA alumus", we have an expert on USAFA folks.
EAGLE was a war prize. I'm guessing it takes less $$ to maintain and operate EAGLE than it does to maintain the USS Constitution.
Coast Guard Academy cadets and Coast Guard officer candidates use EAGLE (is there a training platform the entire Air Force goes through?)
What you'll quickly find out from Coast Guard Academy cadets is, they aren't especially fond on EAGLE.
And while the Naval Academy has a fleet of YPs for its midshipmen, with the exception of some outdated and tiny x-Army training ships, EAGLE is the only training vessel the Coast Guard has. So unless you can dig up a brand new ship (as opposed to one that is older than the Air Force), it seems they have only one option. And while that option is nice and pretty, it's also a fairly honest classroom with respect to the sea, because 80-90% of each class isn't going to fly a desk, their office will be the sea (and the sea yields to knowledge....)
Of course, the Coast Guard isn't even the largest portion of Dept. of Homeland Security funding and the Dept. of Homeland Security's budget is smaller than the U.S. Air Force's budget.
Uh oh, "USCGA alumus", we have an expert on USAFA folks.
US Air Force budget versus the US Coast Guards budget. Isn't that an unfair comparison.
I am sure the Navy and Army budget is larger than the Coast Guard also.
Absolutely, and the Marine Corps is 16x the Coast Guard's budget, while it's only 4x the size.
The difference here is they don't have a thread devoted to whine about fly overs and mini-fridges while many thousands of people are scheduled to miss 22 days of work, unpaid.