The Reapplying Club

One of the reasons that NWP is fantastic is that it is only a semester long. After the semester is over, you attend classes at a local college (What all of us NWP kids are doing right now). Worst come to worse, you already have college credit and can get right back into the swing of college life (as you are only behind one semester). Likewise, you can re-apply to USAFA as many times as you want! As long as you continue to meet the application requirements (Under 23 or something like that with no dependents).

For the Falcon Foundation, the only 'requirement', so to speak, to get your case reviewed for this is to be Pilot Qualified (medically, that is). Everyone automatically gets reviewed for this program upon receipt of the QNV-TWE (assuming that they are Pilot Qualified). It's not necessarily a SAT thing only too--I got Foundation because I had a good WCS (1930 SAT at the time), but my CFA scores were average. A good way to look at it is this: If your application is fantastic, except in one individual area, you are a likely candidate for Foundation.

If anyone has any other questions, feel free to send me a PM or an e-mail :smile:
Ah, that's a shame. The only one requirement to be considered, and I can't meet it. Thanks for the info.
 
I can't remember who it was (probably Flieger or Christcorp), but someone had a checklist of things to do if one was wanting to reapply. I have searched numerous threads and am coming up empty. Would someone please post the link to it or if whoever it was that posted it could do so again, I am sure that all here would greatly appreciate it.

My DS wrote on the thread about Junior in H.S applying...
“Sir, do you know of a thread that advises TWE recipients starting their first year of college and who would like to apply for 2016? For instance, what classes to take to be most competitive, sports opportunities, ROTC (yeas/no) etc. I'd appreciate any advice”

From Christcorp:
College students are in a totally different category than High School students.

1. You already know your ALO. Work close(r) with him/her.
2. Take MATH and SCIENCE classes. Remember: The Air Force Academy is known as the "Little Engineering School in the Rockies". They want to see MATH and SCIENCE.
3. Any and all extra-curricular is good.
4. Definitely get into ROTC. It will give you experience, motivation, leadership, and some understanding.

But for what it's worth, you will be treated totally differently. And FWIW: The academy looks highly on individuals who REAPPLY. You don't need to know your WCS score for the academy. You know what your GPA was and your SAT/ACT. If they weren't great, then here's your chance in a year of college (Doesn't matter if it's Junior or 4 year university) for you to kick but in college classes. Best of luck to you. Mike....

From Strike Eagle:
YES DO ROTC!!!!!

Also, call your admissions counselor and he/she can give you the list of what the Academy wants to see you take in college. This is an e-mail from my counselor regarding this:

1. Differential Calculus (or pre-calculus/college algebra if this was not taken in high school)
2. College Chemistry
3. Physics
4. Freshman composition (English)
5. History (either U.S. History or the History of Western Civilization)
6. ROTC if available at the school
7. The student should strive for the best possible performance in each class. Course work along with college performance will be evaluated.
8. The candidate should take at least 15 semester hours each semester (fall and spring) to demonstrate their ability to handle a normal college academic load.
 
My DS wrote on the thread about Junior in H.S applying...
“Sir, do you know of a thread that advises TWE recipients starting their first year of college and who would like to apply for 2016? For instance, what classes to take to be most competitive, sports opportunities, ROTC (yeas/no) etc. I'd appreciate any advice”

From Christcorp:
College students are in a totally different category than High School students.

1. You already know your ALO. Work close(r) with him/her.
2. Take MATH and SCIENCE classes. Remember: The Air Force Academy is known as the "Little Engineering School in the Rockies". They want to see MATH and SCIENCE.
3. Any and all extra-curricular is good.
4. Definitely get into ROTC. It will give you experience, motivation, leadership, and some understanding.

But for what it's worth, you will be treated totally differently. And FWIW: The academy looks highly on individuals who REAPPLY. You don't need to know your WCS score for the academy. You know what your GPA was and your SAT/ACT. If they weren't great, then here's your chance in a year of college (Doesn't matter if it's Junior or 4 year university) for you to kick but in college classes. Best of luck to you. Mike....

From Strike Eagle:
YES DO ROTC!!!!!

Also, call your admissions counselor and he/she can give you the list of what the Academy wants to see you take in college. This is an e-mail from my counselor regarding this:

1. Differential Calculus (or pre-calculus/college algebra if this was not taken in high school)
2. College Chemistry
3. Physics
4. Freshman composition (English)
5. History (either U.S. History or the History of Western Civilization)
6. ROTC if available at the school
7. The student should strive for the best possible performance in each class. Course work along with college performance will be evaluated.
8. The candidate should take at least 15 semester hours each semester (fall and spring) to demonstrate their ability to handle a normal college academic load.
Question. I have seen in mulitple listing people speaking of 1 year in college after HS. I guess I am trying to figure out how that is possible since the spring semester does not end until May and the application deadline is way before that. Is everybody taking summer semester as their first semester? Is that what DD needs to do? She was going to hit SAT/ACT extra hard studying that all summer but if she needs to go to summer semester we will just have to work it in. Please advise ASAP.
 
Hi Club Members!
Well, talk about serendipity! 4 of us moms did a 4 day "spring break" in Key West and we are heading home today. One of us flew a different airline and left before the rest of us. She just called me to tell me that she was seated in 1st Class next to our MOC!!! She told him to look our for DS, that he would be reapplying next year. Nice way to kick off the Reapplying Club! And good luck to those of you who who are heading to Prep or Falcon. I have not been able to keep up as much a I normally do but I'll be back at the helm tomorrow. I hope everyone is in a good place and is ready to attack this one. MOC told BFF "most re-applicants who were QNV get an appointment". :) I realize "most" is not "all" but is is promising!
 
One of the reasons that NWP is fantastic is that it is only a semester long. After the semester is over, you attend classes at a local college (What all of us NWP kids are doing right now). Worst come to worse, you already have college credit and can get right back into the swing of college life (as you are only behind one semester). Likewise, you can re-apply to USAFA as many times as you want! As long as you continue to meet the application requirements (Under 23 or something like that with no dependents).

For the Falcon Foundation, the only 'requirement', so to speak, to get your case reviewed for this is to be Pilot Qualified (medically, that is). Everyone automatically gets reviewed for this program upon receipt of the QNV-TWE (assuming that they are Pilot Qualified). It's not necessarily a SAT thing only too--I got Foundation because I had a good WCS (1930 SAT at the time), but my CFA scores were average. A good way to look at it is this: If your application is fantastic, except in one individual area, you are a likely candidate for Foundation.

If anyone has any other questions, feel free to send me a PM or an e-mail :smile:
Does your on-line status actually say "Pilot qualified?" DD examiner said she would be pilot qualified but her on-line status says "qualified." Thanks.
 
Hi Club Members!
Well, talk about serendipity! 4 of us moms did a 4 day "spring break" in Key West and we are heading home today. One of us flew a different airline and left before the rest of us. She just called me to tell me that she was seated in 1st Class next to our MOC!!! She told him to look our for DS, that he would be reapplying next year. Nice way to kick off the Reapplying Club! And good luck to those of you who who are heading to Prep or Falcon. I have not been able to keep up as much a I normally do but I'll be back at the helm tomorrow. I hope everyone is in a good place and is ready to attack this one. MOC told BFF "most re-applicants who were QNV get an appointment". :) I realize "most" is not "all" but is is promising!

Man I should have applied last year! I didn't think I would be pilot qualified and only applied to west point because people have told me I'm too tall(6 foot 4) but a few weeks ago I checked the requirements and I'm height qualified by1 inch. I opened a file within 15 mins of finding that out:shake:
 
It just says Qualified--If the examiner said that she would be pilot qualified, I'd stick with that. Mine told me the same. Other than that, I had no prior indication that I was pilot qualified until I received the Falcon Foundation letter and read that as one of the criteria
 
The link from the USAFA status page to DoDMERB lists reasons you are not potentially pilot qualified. If it just says qualified, you are potentially pilot qualified. Mine says qualified, and under that it lists out 3 reasons detailing why I am not pilot qualified... for the moment at least.
 
DS's Dodmerb status states "Potential Pilot Qualified", if that helps.
 
Mine went from Potential Navigator Qualified to just Qualified

Says sitting height is between 33 and 34 inches :confused:
 
Mine went from Potential Navigator Qualified to just Qualified

Says sitting height is between 33 and 34 inches :confused:
Just from a quick google search I found that the sitting height requirement for pilots is between 34 and 40 inches. For navigators it is 33 and 40 inches... I wouldn't worry too much about it. Christcorp just clarified a lot of this in the "potential pilot qualified" thread. Check it out. The Academy just wants to know if you are medically qualified to serve in the Air Force. They will determine other qualifications for other capacities once you are there.
 
thanks for the input tlangford and sanguine

I haven't received any news yet, but I'm going to assume the worst.

That being said, I thought I would've gone to UC Boulder w/ ROTC and applied again, but w/ NW Prep on the table, I'm not sure which is a better choice.

I think I will have to wait to talk to my counselor and ALO about my choice.

The one thing I'm worried about is this: trying my best at NW Prep and not being getting an appointment. ford and sanguine, did many applicants in your class get denied to the academy of choice?
 
a new thread to follow....

1. RyWalk - University of Central Florida - AFROTC - state scholarship
2. BrianReed - ERAU Prescott - AFROTC
3. flyusaf93 - PSU with AFROTC - AFA application started
4. SaltLife- North Carolina State University- AROTC scholarship- file opened
5. Vamom- Virginia Tech ENG: AFROTC/Corp of Cadets
6. Mattsmom2015 & cgchris99 (son) - MSOE - AFROTC 4yr scholarship
7. delaney (son) - Texas A&M - AFROTC
8. Daniel Kennedy (WKSLP)-USNA or New Mexico Military Institute (1 year Academy Prep Program)(pending a TWE from USNA)
9. Jagabiti (son) 4 year AROTC Rutgers Univ. Eng. waiting on transfer to ERAU Daytona - AFA application in the works
10. Evilleramsfan (son) - SIUE - Applying for AFROTC
11. cryosk8trboi - University of California: San Diego - AFROTC
12. tkuser21mom (son)- Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology: AFROTC
 
thanks for the input tlangford and sanguine

I haven't received any news yet, but I'm going to assume the worst.

That being said, I thought I would've gone to UC Boulder w/ ROTC and applied again, but w/ NW Prep on the table, I'm not sure which is a better choice.

I think I will have to wait to talk to my counselor and ALO about my choice.

The one thing I'm worried about is this: trying my best at NW Prep and not being getting an appointment. ford and sanguine, did many applicants in your class get denied to the academy of choice?

This has NOTHING to do with the thread...I'm just curious why you chose the mighty CF-108 as your avatar?

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
Question. I have seen in mulitple listing people speaking of 1 year in college after HS. I guess I am trying to figure out how that is possible since the spring semester does not end until May and the application deadline is way before that. Is everybody taking summer semester as their first semester? Is that what DD needs to do? She was going to hit SAT/ACT extra hard studying that all summer but if she needs to go to summer semester we will just have to work it in. Please advise ASAP.

You go to the normal fall semester and spring semester. After your fall semester, you submit that first semester transcript. The Academy will review your file and will give a Conditional Appointment. They then want your final transcript after the year is over. So no, we aren't taking our summer semester as our first semester (at least most people aren't, anyway).

It's just like high school. You are given an appointment before you graduate and send your final transcript once you do.
 
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thanks for the input tlangford and sanguine

I haven't received any news yet, but I'm going to assume the worst.

That being said, I thought I would've gone to UC Boulder w/ ROTC and applied again, but w/ NW Prep on the table, I'm not sure which is a better choice.

I think I will have to wait to talk to my counselor and ALO about my choice.

The one thing I'm worried about is this: trying my best at NW Prep and not being getting an appointment. ford and sanguine, did many applicants in your class get denied to the academy of choice?

That is a good concern. So far very few have hear back and a few have been denied to the academy of their choice, meaning they also got the QNV letter. Although very strong and did well at NWP they also face the hardship of the reduction of class. In the past NWP has had prepster get denied a few times and didnt get in until their 2nd or 3rd year of college after NWP. They also mentioned at NWP a lot, that the problem with appointments for free agents is that we limit our options and so heavily set our mind on only USAFA. All academies are great places they teach us and so keep an open mind, dont get me wrong, Falcons all the way!!
Regardless, NWP is such a great experience and helped me grow so much, mature more than I imagined. Its a great place and filled with so many amazing memories not to mention the best friends/new family I could ever imagine!!

Again, feel free to PM me with any questions. Or ask them on this thread and me or DJ will be more than willing to help in any way we can
 
From the size of this list it appears that currently many plan on re-applying next year.

The thing to realize is to be open minded when you get to your college. It is very important to be honest with the incoming det of your intentions. You don't want to side swipe the commander 2 weeks before the packet is due that you are opting this route. You also want to inform them since as C100's (AFROTC C100=C4C AFA) your face is new, and you want the command to connect it with your name. Nothing will hurt you more than a CoC turning to a flight commander and asking who is this cadet? FCC replies, nice enough kid, but I don't have a feeling about them positive or negative.

Informing them early will allow them time to give you a stronger rec. It can also cut in the negative way if you do stupid things, like being late for PT, or asking if PT is voluntary.:eek:

It is also important to use this time to get ready for the AFA. Take the most difficult classes, and be very active in the det. The more you do the more you will be able to transition easier into AFA life. Taking 15 credits and playing X box when not at class, is going to make it harder for you next yr when free time is very limited.

By also taking harder courses you will academically transition easier because the AFA is known as the little engineering school in the Rockies. You will not feel as pressured academically since it may be more of a repeat yr for you than the traditional hs student...again why the AFA likes 2nd timers. They feel more comfortable that the candidate has already proven they can transition from hs to college just fine.

Good luck. Just remember what your goal is for next yr, and plot accordingly. I understand many of you need decompression time from a yr of living this journey, take that time, just don't take too long. This summer will be busy, and come Sept., it isn't going to be less hectic. Get your paperwork started during the summer.

It will be harder to write essays to all of your MOCs, and adjust to freshman yr., especially if you take 18+ credits. For most colleges mid-terms will be exactly at the same point as the drop dead date for the MOC apps.

I think many kids who are academically gifted like the majority of candidates, do not understand college is not like hs. Profs will see you as adults, get the material, don't get it, we aren't slowing down the class, hard to slow down a class for an Econ 101 kid when they have 200 people in the class. The hardest thing for these kids are this is the 1st time where they academically have to fight for their grades, and that plays on them emotionally. I highlight doubt there is one parent of a college kid who never got a call from their child freaking out over a course and their current grade in that class. I also highly doubt that any of those kids believed they would be one of those kids.

That is just part of college and a part to be prepared for when you enter. Also remember the other part is social. The whole dorm mate and no parent to scream at you it is midnight go to bed is also an adjustment issue.
 
More bad news

I just found out that by accepting the ROTC scholarship the grant that DS was awarded goes away. He still has the ROTC scholarship, a school scholarship and a Project Lead the way scholarship but we thought he still had another $7300 coming to him via the grant. Nope, not the case. The grant goes away. The school also did away with the $6000 towards room and board with the ROTC scholarship and has replaced it with only the original scholarship that was offered. Just when we thought we had this all figured out with only about $3500 out of our pocket we get slammed with another $7300.:mad:
 
I just found out that by accepting the ROTC scholarship the grant that DS was awarded goes away. He still has the ROTC scholarship, a school scholarship and a Project Lead the way scholarship but we thought he still had another $7300 coming to him via the grant. Nope, not the case. The grant goes away. The school also did away with the $6000 towards room and board with the ROTC scholarship and has replaced it with only the original scholarship that was offered. Just when we thought we had this all figured out with only about $3500 out of our pocket we get slammed with another $7300.:mad:

Mattwsmom2015, I hear you. Budget cuts have been tough all the way around for we parents of the Class of 2015. I'm glad that you have at least some scholarship money coming your way. DS was told by ROTC HQ that he would have been awarded a scholarship but his choice of ENGINEERING MAJOR was one that, due to NASA budget cuts, is not a preferred ENG major right now. Had he selected another field of ENG on the application, we would not be looking at paying the entire tuition. So while it is a punch in the gut, I'm sure, for you to come up with an additional $7300, there are some who are coming up with all of it due to the types of situtations I described. I hate to use the word "unfair" so I wont. But I really, really want to!:smile:

So for now, focusing on preparing for the coming school year AND the reapplication process. A "two for one" special..... ???:rolleyes: Oh, and FAFSA. Don't forget FAFSA!
 
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